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Inclag

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Sep 9, 2001
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It's a discussion, not an argument. Unfortunately you prefer to run and hide because you have nothing to add. You'd like to think you're correct in your little world. I realize it's difficult for you to hear another opinion, but I'm sure someone here can give you a hug and tell you it will be ok. Maybe SS or Pesqueeb will share a juice box with you?
Would you mind responding to my inquiry to one of your posts about vaccines and risk/benefit from a little while back? I believed I approached it as a discussion and in a non-argumentative manner.
 

Sandwich

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Would you mind responding to my inquiry to one of your posts about vaccines and risk/benefit from a little while back? I believed I approached it as a discussion and in a non-argumentative manner.
He doesn’t reply to discussions. He just wants to own the libs. You can’t reason nor rationalize an argument, he just calls you stupid and leaves. This is why the rest of us have him on block. He has no interest in other people’s perspectives.
 

Sandwich

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Hey so all you california haters, why not Just like…leave? There are 49 other states. California has its issues, so does Massachusetts, but like, I’m happy to deal with bad roads and shitty drivers to have a non-insane legislature that is friendly to blue collar and white collar industries alike. When I retire, I will probably look for a place that is quieter but still as liberal as mass is. I can’t say I totally understand hating everything about where you live and just staying put. Do they not have construction in Texas or Missouri or some other MAGA hellhole that works for you?
 

Pesqueeb

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He doesn’t reply to discussions. He just wants to own the libs. You can’t reason nor rationalize an argument, he just calls you stupid and leaves. This is why the rest of us have him on block. He has no interest in other people’s perspectives.
Sure he does. With the sickest burns you could have possibly heard in the jr high cafeteria.

Vagisil, your mom, juice box, little tyke. Ad infinitum. Not necessarily in that order.
 

Sandwich

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Sure he does. With the sickest burns you could have possibly heard in the jr high cafeteria.

Vagisil, your mom, juice box, little tyke. Ad infinitum. Not necessarily in that order.
The juice box one is great:
“We’re jeopardizing our geopolitical power across the world and breaking alliances with neighboring countries and allies that we’ve had since the USA’s inception, all for the sake of owning the libs”
”How bout a juice box with your libtard friends! California sucks because there’s a pothole”
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding past the morgue.
The juice box one is great:
“We’re jeopardizing our geopolitical power across the world and breaking alliances with neighboring countries and allies that we’ve had since the USA’s inception, all for the sake of owning the libs”
”How bout a juice box with your libtard friends! California sucks because there’s a pothole”
"Some little tyke cuck needs Vagisil for Mommy's pothole" - Brian, probably.
 

Avy

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Jan 24, 2006
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Hey so all you california haters, why not Just like…leave? There are 49 other states. California has its issues, so does Massachusetts, but like, I’m happy to deal with bad roads and shitty drivers to have a non-insane legislature that is friendly to blue collar and white collar industries alike. When I retire, I will probably look for a place that is quieter but still as liberal as mass is. I can’t say I totally understand hating everything about where you live and just staying put. Do they not have construction in Texas or Missouri or some other MAGA hellhole that works for you?
That is not taking in the whole matter Brother. The Dems have had Control and are to blame for Trump being in Power. Period. They fucked up. Put that in you’re fucking pipe and smoke it.

As for Leaving,if you do not like Trump,then get the Fuck out of the USA,as you so kindly suggested.


Avy
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
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Regarding the USA leadership ignoring the current German leadership, and instead meeting with the the far right party.
(gets on point a min or two in)

 

Sandwich

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That is not taking in the whole matter Brother. The Dems have had Control and are to blame for Trump being in Power. Period. They fucked up. Put that in you’re fucking pipe and smoke it.

As for Leaving,if you do not like Trump,then get the Fuck out of the USA,as you so kindly suggested.


Avy
Look Mr Hogan, I am actively looking for opportunities outside of the US. The problem is, nobody wants us. Unlike FOXBOT brain, I’m willing to admit that it seems to be much more difficult to emigrate to other countries compared to the US. That’s an interesting observation, and changes my POV on US immigration because I’m not objectively horrible and my point of view can change.

As for California, if the democrats are so horrible and evil and bad, why are you and brain living there? Alabama exists- go there and be surrounded by your mouth breather cousins! See what a bastion of republicanism can do for you and your family. I bet you a dollar that you say “Wow, California has one of the largest GDPs in the world and is extremely successful As a state. Damned Democrats! They value education and personal freedom and somehow balance that with an extremely strong industrial sector. At least there’s no potholes here!”

As for national politics, yeah, if Biden hadn’t pulled his “I’m still relevant” fuckup, we probably wouldn’t be here. I suspected as soon as he said he was running again that we were fucked. And Kamala had a funny laugh.
 

Brian HCM#1

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Would you mind responding to my inquiry to one of your posts about vaccines and risk/benefit from a little while back? I believed I approached it as a discussion and in a non-argumentative manner.
I'm not anti vaccine to an extent if that's what you're asking? I'm against the Covid vaccine as I ended up at the cardiologist after my first booster (3rd shot) & diagnosed with Myocarditis. The CDC had a chart back in 2022 that showed more Covid deaths from vaccinated & boosted once they were made readily available than unvaccinated, so IMO it show's its not as effective as the CDC was pitching. Fauci said at the beginning if you got the jab, would wouldn't get or transmit Covid. That turned out to be 100% false. Actually more people got Covid after getting the shot than not. I had a discussion with BV in regards to possible side effects from other vaccines as the Autism rate has jumped exponentially as well as food allergy like peanuts for example. This was no where near as common when I was younger, and it just makes me wonder? He showed there were studies not linking any side effects of that nature. However its still a strange coincidence IMO. Could the FDA be bought? Quite possible? The WHO took China's word when Covid first came on the scene and they kind of shit the bed there on trust. Was the FDA bribed to look the other way in regards to some of these vaccine studies? Maybe? The mighty dollar can do some amazing things if you know what I mean. Look at what our food companies are allowed to put in our foods, its sickening! I've traveled to many places around the world and we by far are the unhealthiest regarding first world countries.
 

Brian HCM#1

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He doesn’t reply to discussions. He just wants to own the libs. You can’t reason nor rationalize an argument, he just calls you stupid and leaves. This is why the rest of us have him on block. He has no interest in other people’s perspectives.
I just replied, I just don't sit in front of a computer all day like some here.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
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Look Mr Hogan, I am actively looking for opportunities outside of the US. The problem is, nobody wants us. Unlike FOXBOT brain, I’m willing to admit that it seems to be much more difficult to emigrate to other countries compared to the US. That’s an interesting observation, and changes my POV on US immigration because I’m not objectively horrible and my point of view can change.

As for California, if the democrats are so horrible and evil and bad, why are you and brain living there? Alabama exists- go there and be surrounded by your mouth breather cousins! See what a bastion of republicanism can do for you and your family. I bet you a dollar that you say “Wow, California has one of the largest GDPs in the world and is extremely successful As a state. Damned Democrats! They value education and personal freedom and somehow balance that with an extremely strong industrial sector. At least there’s no potholes here!”

As for national politics, yeah, if Biden hadn’t pulled his “I’m still relevant” fuckup, we probably wouldn’t be here. I suspected as soon as he said he was running again that we were fucked. And Kamala had a funny laugh.
Other than the fucked up politics here in CA. IMO its by far the best state to live in the US, that's why it's hard to leave. The weather & outdoor activities plays a huge part in keeping me here. Once my kids get married, start a family and depending where they end up, we may decide to more closer to them possibly leaving CA.

No, Biden was a puppet for the left his entire 4 years, very much weekend at Bernie's his entire presidency. You know damn well he wasn't making any decisions in Washington, he didn't have the mental capacity (I'm not dishing on him, it was sad watching his decline and wasn't fair to him to be propped up like he was) Kamala was 100% a DEI pick and proved in interviews she couldn't answer basic questions. Her not going on Joe Rogan was the final straw as we all know she was scared there would be actual follow up questions to all her answers and would be enough word salad to feed the entire nation. Like I said before, the left would have been better off letting Trump win in 2020 and he'd be done and out of here. The left made it there mission to not allow him to get reelected in 2024 by trying to impeach, prosecute, jail and even assonate. It all failed only making him stronger than ever. The left didn't want a fair election because they knew this is what would happen if reelected, and their worst nightmare is unfolding right before their eyes. He now is draining the swamp.
 

binary visions

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The CDC had a chart back in 2022 that showed more Covid deaths from vaccinated & boosted once they were made readily available than unvaccinated
This is factually incorrect and ridiculous on its very face. Post your sources.


He showed there were studies not linking any side effects of that nature.
Yes. This is literally how science works. The FDA does not control the global scientific community. The global scientific community has come to a conclusion about a link (specifically, that there isn't one) between autism and vaccines; papers have been published in dozens of unconnected journals from a myriad of countries. The FDA doesn't get a say in what the journals publish.

Do you think it's more likely that thousands of science labs across the world and their hundreds of thousands of highly educated, specialized researchers are getting paid hush money as part of a global, coordinated conspiracy paid for by... uh... someone, and the whole conspiracy is so well buttoned up that there's absolutely no evidence of payouts to hundreds of thousands of people - or do you think that maybe you and a bunch of uneducated hicks and "natural living" moms, who have absolutely no background or education on this topic nor any real basis for your opinions, are just wrong?

This is why your comments are dismissed as trolling. You are not approaching any of these conversations in good faith. You spew comments, get shown objective evidence why you're wrong, and either ignore it and move on, or you wave your hands around with your, "I'm just wondering/asking questions."
 
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boostindoubles

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LOVE to HATE the LEFT.

LOL if only we were right, then we wouldn't be wrong! I see how it works now. When your right, you can't be wrong. These frothing word salads with 'the left' sprinkled in every where are pitiful and weak.


Must be nice to not pay income tax on billions of profit. I wonder if DOGE will uncover this abuse?
 

chuffer

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Sep 2, 2004
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This is factually incorrect and ridiculous on its very face. Post your sources.




Yes. This is literally how science works. The FDA does not control the global scientific community. The global scientific community has come to a conclusion about a link (specifically, that there isn't one) between autism and vaccines; papers have been published in dozens of unconnected journals from a myriad of countries. The FDA doesn't get a say in what the journals publish.

Do you think it's more likely that thousands of science labs across the world and their hundreds of thousands of highly educated, specialized researchers are getting paid hush money as part of a global, coordinated conspiracy paid for by... uh... someone, and the whole conspiracy is so well buttoned up that there's absolutely no evidence of payouts to hundreds of thousands of people - or do you think that maybe you and a bunch of uneducated hicks and "natural living" moms, who have absolutely no background or education on this topic nor any real basis for your opinions, are just wrong?

This is why your comments are dismissed as trolling. You are not approaching any of these conversations in good faith. You spew comments, get shown objective evidence why you're wrong, and either ignore it and move on, or you wave your hands around with your, "I'm just wondering/asking questions."
Dude. Everyone who is actually listening to and able to comprehend what you’re saying agrees with you.
 

Inclag

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Sep 9, 2001
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I'm not anti vaccine to an extent if that's what you're asking? I'm against the Covid vaccine as I ended up at the cardiologist after my first booster (3rd shot) & diagnosed with Myocarditis. The CDC had a chart back in 2022 that showed more Covid deaths from vaccinated & boosted once they were made readily available than unvaccinated, so IMO it show's its not as effective as the CDC was pitching. Fauci said at the beginning if you got the jab, would wouldn't get or transmit Covid. That turned out to be 100% false. Actually more people got Covid after getting the shot than not. I had a discussion with BV in regards to possible side effects from other vaccines as the Autism rate has jumped exponentially as well as food allergy like peanuts for example. This was no where near as common when I was younger, and it just makes me wonder? He showed there were studies not linking any side effects of that nature. However its still a strange coincidence IMO. Could the FDA be bought? Quite possible? The WHO took China's word when Covid first came on the scene and they kind of shit the bed there on trust. Was the FDA bribed to look the other way in regards to some of these vaccine studies? Maybe? The mighty dollar can do some amazing things if you know what I mean. Look at what our food companies are allowed to put in our foods, its sickening! I've traveled to many places around the world and we by far are the unhealthiest regarding first world countries.
Below was my original attempt at discussion based on some stuff you had wrote in another thread. If you're interested in having a discussion I'd welcome your responses to what I thought were fairly pointed questions.

I'll admit that upon my re-review of my questions to you, a few are certainly rhetorical in nature, but I suppose that was more of an emotional response from my end based on what you had written.

But with that said I genuinely am curious about how you feel about a few things.

  • What would you like to see handled differently with respect to the drug development and the approval process?
  • If you're not aware of what the drug approval process is would you like to know more?
  • Do you distrust vaccines and the FDA and if so, did this distrust start before COVID?
  • Did you believe that the COVID vaccine would end COVID or prevent you from getting or transmitting it?
  • Before COVID, did you associate vaccines with 100% effectiveness?
  • At what point do you feel that the risk associated with a vaccine outweighs the benefit to the public?
  • Do you think that the current methods of post market drug surveillance are ineffective?
  • If so, why and what do think should be done differently?
  • Do you believe people don't have freedom currently to choose to vaccinate (for anything as I think it's better to be general here)?
  • If you don't think there's adequate freedom, what should be done differently?
With respect to your above post, I'm not really sure what your talking about and how any of what was written is applicable to the prior discussion I was attempting to have with you.


Are you an SME with respect to the drug development/regulatory approval process? A simple yes or no is sufficient.

A couple more follow up questions.

Are you aware of the risks and incidence rate of Myocarditis as a result of Sars-Covid-2 infection? Below is an image. Take a close look. Plenty of other studies along with clinical data used for regulatory approvals and post market surveillance data all come to similar conclusions.

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Lastly, are you aware of the risk based approaches and the clinical risk-benefit analyses used in making decisions to release drugs for public use?

It would be helpful if you could be more specific with what you would like to see handled differently with respect to drug development and the approval process along with the post market surveillance.

Individuals have the right to not take a vaccine if they so choose by in large. Sure, there may be edge cases where government employees or private employers may mandate or be mandated to take a vaccine under extreme circumstances (like what we all lived through in 2019), but even in these cases, individuals had the freedom to seek other employment.

Do you feel that the public benefit of vaccines do not outweigh the risks and if so, why not?
 

Brian HCM#1

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Below was my original attempt at discussion based on some stuff you had wrote in another thread. If you're interested in having a discussion I'd welcome your responses to what I thought were fairly pointed questions.

I'll admit that upon my re-review of my questions to you, a few are certainly rhetorical in nature, but I suppose that was more of an emotional response from my end based on what you had written.

But with that said I genuinely am curious about how you feel about a few things.

  • What would you like to see handled differently with respect to the drug development and the approval process?
  • If you're not aware of what the drug approval process is would you like to know more?
  • Do you distrust vaccines and the FDA and if so, did this distrust start before COVID?
  • Did you believe that the COVID vaccine would end COVID or prevent you from getting or transmitting it?
  • Before COVID, did you associate vaccines with 100% effectiveness?
  • At what point do you feel that the risk associated with a vaccine outweighs the benefit to the public?
  • Do you think that the current methods of post market drug surveillance are ineffective?
  • If so, why and what do think should be done differently?
  • Do you believe people don't have freedom currently to choose to vaccinate (for anything as I think it's better to be general here)?
  • If you don't think there's adequate freedom, what should be done differently?
With respect to your above post, I'm not really sure what your talking about and how any of what was written is applicable to the prior discussion I was attempting to have with you.
If I'm correct typical clinical studies go on for approx. 8-10 years before the FDA makes it available to the general public. I get the rush to get the Covid vaccine made available to the public ASAP because of the circumstances. You see the Covid vaccine commercials, just wish they would list all the possible negative side effects as they do with certain drugs advertised on TV, magazines etc. However they don't, so why is that?

My brother in law is a director for Bayer and is in charge for making drugs for hemophiliacs, so I'm very aware of all costs, tests, sterilization, FDA approval/regulations etc. We've been having the same conversations for the last 30+ years over lots of beer & whisky's talking about it.

I didn't have any distrust for the FDA before Covid, but the more I read of possible health issues it just made me wonder. Both kids were fully vaccinated as babies, and no regrets in doing so. They are both healthy, so I'm very blessed! They both had the first 3 Covid shots along with my wife, but that's it.

That's what Biden & Fauci said about the Covid vaccine initially, it prevented you getting and/or transmitting. In my line of work I'm in a different persons house everyday so I have the potential of being exposed to whatever they have, especially being inside their home and touching their stuff. So of course I jumped on board with getting it. I used to regularly get the flu vaccine because of the very same reason. However the flu vaccine didn't' make my heart to feel like it was going to explode when my heart rate was elevated.

The Polio vaccine was a home run and there didn't seem to be any real negative side effects to the general public when it first arrived on the scene. Again, just wondering why the uptick in food allergies for example. Are they vaccine related? Growing up in the 70's everyone ate PB&J sandwiches, Southwest airlines gave out peanuts for years with no issues, so why now? I think it's a fair question to ask without pushback, agreed?

Vaccines are important, however maybe more independent studies need to be done, not associated with any government input/funding.

My father died 13 years ago because of lack of information/disclosure regarding a certain medication. There was a class action lawsuit regarding this as he wasn't the only one who died as a result of taking it.

I think people should and do have the right to choose what they want to put into them or their kids bodies, it's their choice. Of course there are potential consequences associated with it, and that should be made clear to them.

Hopefully I was able to answer most of your questions, I'm not a typer/texting kind of guy. Always prefer having these conversations face to face. So hopefully it made some sense and added some clarity.
 

Brian HCM#1

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This is factually incorrect and ridiculous on its very face. Post your sources.




Yes. This is literally how science works. The FDA does not control the global scientific community. The global scientific community has come to a conclusion about a link (specifically, that there isn't one) between autism and vaccines; papers have been published in dozens of unconnected journals from a myriad of countries. The FDA doesn't get a say in what the journals publish.

Do you think it's more likely that thousands of science labs across the world and their hundreds of thousands of highly educated, specialized researchers are getting paid hush money as part of a global, coordinated conspiracy paid for by... uh... someone, and the whole conspiracy is so well buttoned up that there's absolutely no evidence of payouts to hundreds of thousands of people - or do you think that maybe you and a bunch of uneducated hicks and "natural living" moms, who have absolutely no background or education on this topic nor any real basis for your opinions, are just wrong?

This is why your comments are dismissed as trolling. You are not approaching any of these conversations in good faith. You spew comments, get shown objective evidence why you're wrong, and either ignore it and move on, or you wave your hands around with your, "I'm just wondering/asking questions."
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This was actually from the CDC's site back in the day. So from April 22-Aug 22 more deaths were after vaccinated and/or boosted. So if 36% of the people died after being boosted and 42% with no vaccine, to me it shows to me it's not very effective. Actually it was most effective with only the first 2 shots. Effective to me would be 0-5% death rate
 

Avy

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Jan 24, 2006
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Look Mr Hogan, I am actively looking for opportunities outside of the US. The problem is, nobody wants us. Unlike FOXBOT brain, I’m willing to admit that it seems to be much more difficult to emigrate to other countries compared to the US. That’s an interesting observation, and changes my POV on US immigration because I’m not objectively horrible and my point of view can change.

As for California, if the democrats are so horrible and evil and bad, why are you and brain living there? Alabama exists- go there and be surrounded by your mouth breather cousins! See what a bastion of republicanism can do for you and your family. I bet you a dollar that you say “Wow, California has one of the largest GDPs in the world and is extremely successful As a state. Damned Democrats! They value education and personal freedom and somehow balance that with an extremely strong industrial sector. At least there’s no potholes here!”

As for national politics, yeah, if Biden hadn’t pulled his “I’m still relevant” fuckup, we probably wouldn’t be here. I suspected as soon as he said he was running again that we were fucked. And Kamala had a funny laugh.
Sandwich,Avy is Not A Rep.,or a Dem. I guess I am Independant? I don’t really know? It is all Very traught with Lies. No Accountability,and the Amighty Dollar as the reason of it as We know. Here are my thoughts on All matters that I can think of Only as I type,as there is always more. I will try to put them in Sections?

To you’re 1st Paragraph above Brother:

I am not Brian. When you want to Grill Avy from the Heart,that’s fine! Let us talk. Let me show my Heart,and let’s talk it out.

Do Not put Brian In when speaking with Me! You are not by any means Brother the only Monkey who does this. A lot of you are buddies in this “Internet World” and I am Sure if we were Breaking Bread together,It would be different. The point is you do not know me.

You know how bad Avy is with English,and the Art of writing and spelling,(Monkeys put in there other thoughts here),But I do have something to contribute to this World. I hope we can find that.

Last,Yes Nobody wants us,we have been Ruling Thug’s Across the World.


2nd Paragraph:

That was a Joke!

You may reflect an say you are Sorry for such comments. Avy will Forgive.

The Last Sentence I will say this:

Education and Personal Freedom you say? And Balance that with a Strong Industrial Section? What are you talking about? There is No Balance. Everything Over here in CA is Fucked Up Brother. So Stop telling Avy you know what Time it is!

Avy
 

kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
No idea what work is, that's hysterical! I'm willing to bet I've done more physical labor in one year than you've done in your entire life.
500 bucks

this summer, we have about 17 miles of singletrack to put in, already approved on USFS land. Federal funding just disappeared thanks to your infinite genius, so if it happens it's people with tools on the ground. Pick axe and a mcleod. That 500 bucks says I get trail built and you back out after about 1.5 hours of physical labor you soft handed little bitch. Because I've seen every one of you big thinking bay area twats attempt physical labor my entire life. I already know how this ends.
 
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mandown

Poopdeck Repost
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