[Muddy]

that does sound like socialism, giving money away and all

Didn't ever consider this proposal at face value. Read an article out of the UK before nodding off last night; it's a self-fufillment tool and likely only a wedge for further attacks upon government.
A majority will not get a dime, let alone see any benefit. 40% of wage-earners will not meet these 'stringent' requirements.
Most obvious cause for concern will be blatant Tales from the Crypt-doh grifts.

edit: holy fucking shit Tales from the Crypto is a goddammit podcast, t shirt/ass wipe. FFS

 

[Jozz]

I'm wondering if I've been had by disinformation.

First; Is the number 88 a secret nazi code for Heil hitler?
Second; Does Peter Hegseth have an arm tatoo with the flag and 88 in the background ?
Third; Is 88 in ASCII code X?

 

[johnbryanpeters]

I'm wondering if I've been had by disinformation.

First; Is the number 88 a secret nazi code for Heil hitler?
Second; Does Peter Hegseth have an arm tatoo with the flag and 88 in the background ?
Third; Is 88 in ASCII code X?

Capital letter X
ASCII CODE 88

 

[Adventurous]

I'm wondering if I've been had by disinformation.

First; Is the number 88 a secret nazi code for Heil hitler?
Second; Does Peter Hegseth have an arm tatoo with the flag and 88 in the background ?
Third; Is 88 in ASCII code X?

H is the 8th letter in alphabet. 88 = HH. HH = heil Hitler.

88 is a known Nazis code.

 

[Jozz]

Capital letter X
ASCII CODE 88

H is the 8th letter in alphabet. 88 = HH. HH = heil Hitler.

88 is a known Nazis code.

2/3 so far.

 

[Pesqueeb]

 

[Brian HCM#1]

500 bucks

this summer, we have about 17 miles of singletrack to put in, already approved on USFS land. Federal funding just disappeared thanks to your infinite genius, so if it happens it's people with tools on the ground. Pick axe and a mcleod. That 500 bucks says I get trail built and you back out after about 1.5 hours of physical labor you soft handed little bitch. Because I've seen every one of you big thinking bay area twats attempt physical labor my entire life. I already know how this ends.

LOL!!!! Ok there Kev, you win in your mind. Keep in mind I'm a year away from 60, I can't do what I used to be able to do 10-15 years ago. I have a bad back from digging ditches and setting 225lb cast iron tubs by myself for over 20 years as a general/plumbing contractor. My body is worn out. Try doing physical labor 5-6 days a week for 40 years, then we'll talk. So you made trails for a summer that's so heroic! I see a participation trophy coming your way!

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Unbelievable fuckery.

US threatens to shut off Starlink if Ukraine won't sign minerals deal, sources tell Reuters

The U.S. first raised the prospect of shutting off Starlink service after Zelensky rejected the deal presented on Feb. 12. Starlink terminals are critical in securing Ukraine's battlefield communications.

kyivindependent.com

Why? New Zealand has only contributed $130M in 2 years to the US $66B. The US can't keep giving our tax dollars away for free, as we are 36T in debt. It's about time we get something in return for our assistance.

 

[mandown]

2/3 so far.

Contrary to Rumor, Pete Hegseth Does Not Have Nazi Tattoos

Pictures of Hegseth's alleged tats circulated online after Trump announced his appointment.

www.snopes.com

 

[Jozz]

Contrary to Rumor, Pete Hegseth Does Not Have Nazi Tattoos

Pictures of Hegseth's alleged tats circulated online after Trump announced his appointment.

www.snopes.com

Bummer.

 

[jonKranked]

Bummer.

yet

 

[chuffer]

Bummer.

Maybe no explicit Nazi tattoos, but the venn diagram of people with crusade tattoos and white christian nazionalists is a circle.

 

[binary visions]

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This was actually from the CDC's site back in the day. So from April 22-Aug 22 more deaths were after vaccinated and/or boosted. So if 36% of the people died after being boosted and 42% with no vaccine, to me it shows to me it's not very effective. Actually it was most effective with only the first 2 shots. Effective to me would be 0-5% death rate

Thank you for posting the graphic but a random picture is not a source.

I assume you ripped the graphic from here since that was the first link that showed up when searching for that title, which I find very funny since this is a multi-page article detailing a variety of explanations for why those numbers shouldn't be taken at face value, but you chose to screen shot a graphic out of context because you knew the context reflected poorly on your story.

Your conclusions are false, and I posted a variety of sources showing that, all of which (at this point) have many years of data. Also just in case you were wondering, you making up random numbers and declaring them the benchmark for "effectiveness" is not how science works. In fact, there's even more CDC data that, if this were a normal conversation with a person who I thought might take things seriously, I would probably make an effort at re-plotting. But when presented with primary source literature which contradicts your beliefs, you don't reconsider the beliefs - you just ignore the literature.

 

[Pesqueeb]

because you knew the context reflected poorly on your story.

That's a bold assumption on your part.

 

[Pesqueeb]

"I never imagined the leopard I created would eat my face!"

LOL. Modern day Frankenstein.

Elon Musk’s AI said he and Donald Trump deserve death penalty

Grok won’t answer the question anymore.

www.theverge.com

 

[mandown]

"I never imagined the leopard I created would eat my face!"

LOL. Modern day Frankenstein.

Elon Musk’s AI said he and Donald Trump deserve death penalty

Grok won’t answer the question anymore.

www.theverge.com

If you google “cyanide pill” the Internet will ask you how you’re feeling and tell you there’s hope.

 

[Inclag]

If I'm correct typical clinical studies go on for approx. 8-10 years before the FDA makes it available to the general public. I get the rush to get the Covid vaccine made available to the public ASAP because of the circumstances. You see the Covid vaccine commercials, just wish they would list all the possible negative side effects as they do with certain drugs advertised on TV, magazines etc. However they don't, so why is that?

My brother in law is a director for Bayer and is in charge for making drugs for hemophiliacs, so I'm very aware of all costs, tests, sterilization, FDA approval/regulations etc. We've been having the same conversations for the last 30+ years over lots of beer & whisky's talking about it.

I didn't have any distrust for the FDA before Covid, but the more I read of possible health issues it just made me wonder. Both kids were fully vaccinated as babies, and no regrets in doing so. They are both healthy, so I'm very blessed! They both had the first 3 Covid shots along with my wife, but that's it.

That's what Biden & Fauci said about the Covid vaccine initially, it prevented you getting and/or transmitting. In my line of work I'm in a different persons house everyday so I have the potential of being exposed to whatever they have, especially being inside their home and touching their stuff. So of course I jumped on board with getting it. I used to regularly get the flu vaccine because of the very same reason. However the flu vaccine didn't' make my heart to feel like it was going to explode when my heart rate was elevated.

The Polio vaccine was a home run and there didn't seem to be any real negative side effects to the general public when it first arrived on the scene. Again, just wondering why the uptick in food allergies for example. Are they vaccine related? Growing up in the 70's everyone ate PB&J sandwiches, Southwest airlines gave out peanuts for years with no issues, so why now? I think it's a fair question to ask without pushback, agreed?

Vaccines are important, however maybe more independent studies need to be done, not associated with any government input/funding.

My father died 13 years ago because of lack of information/disclosure regarding a certain medication. There was a class action lawsuit regarding this as he wasn't the only one who died as a result of taking it.

I think people should and do have the right to choose what they want to put into them or their kids bodies, it's their choice. Of course there are potential consequences associated with it, and that should be made clear to them.

Hopefully I was able to answer most of your questions, I'm not a typer/texting kind of guy. Always prefer having these conversations face to face. So hopefully it made some sense and added some clarity.

Thanks for replying!

Curious if you could point or link to the specific advertisements you saw ahead your vaccinations that you were disappointed in.

To your point about wanting more drug disclosure statements, this is a bit of a mess worldwide with all drug regulatory bodies. But I'll save some comments for a little later. Generally, the rule is that if a manufacturer advertises the benefits of a drug, then they need to disclose any major risks. This is why at the end of those commercials with people sitting in bath tubs overlooking the ocean or the new ones with heavier set people living life and smiling, we see the fine print and midwest auctioneer fast talking person rattling a bunch a things off at the end of the commercial.

This isn't meant to be insincere, but with respect to vaccines, the risks are not advertised because they don't qualify as major risks. Drug makers, just like medical device manufacturers, develop long and exhaustive risk analysis documents that are evergreen and always living from the inception of a new drug, through clinical studies and trials, and even as part of post market surveillance. The harms and severity of these risks are identified and then provisions are executed to reduce any risks to be as low as possible. All of this and more is reviewed by the FDA along with trial data as part of the vetting process. The simple way of putting it, is that vaccines post such minimal risks and are statistically so incredibly safe, regulatory bodies do not consider there to be any major risks. So things like arm pain, soreness, hot flashes, or myocarditis aren't going to be disclosed of in commercials. As for the latter, it is well studied that the incidence rate of myocarditis as a result of covid is higher than vaccination.

Now personally I haven't spent the time reviewing clinical trial data to understand if any incidences of myocarditis even presented when it came to covid 19. If it did, how much weight can even be put into something that is so statistically insignificant, that it could be considered background noise? People suffer all sorts of diseases during clinical trials completely unrelated to a drug under development and this is researched closely to identify if there are any links. There is a natural incidence of diseases occuring in populations. Cancers, stroke, kidney failure, etc. Covid as a cause has clearly increased the incidence of myocarditis throughout the worldwide population. Also, now that covid vaccination worldwide is probably approaching 100 billion jabs, it seems that there is a slightly rare and increased risk of myocarditis just like has been found surrounding the influenza vaccine.

Brian, I truly get it. I wouldn't want to suffer something scary from a drug or medical procedure. I'm sure it was concerning and scary for you. I would probably be emotionally charged too if I suffered an expected or unknown side effect. Heck, I get frustrated when I go to the doctors or take my kids and they dismiss any questions that I have about medications and say 'It's fine and totally safe'. I'm on year 2+ of getting my GI back to normal after a crazy bout with viral gastroenteritis. Over a year later I started having some upper GI weirdness and was suggested to just give Omeprazole a try as it was totally fine. It didn't sit well with me and upon my review clinical data and NIH publications (as I'm fairly well versed in some of this stuff based on my work), low and behold, some of the side effects I experienced tracted with the data and what was in size 2 font print in the drug labeling. Yes, at first I was frustrated that my GI doc said that it was totally fine, but he's only human and at the end of the day.

Anyway, I just hope you can understand that when we were in the throes of covid, people were emotional about vaccination because of the unknown and wanting to be good stewards to help and protect others. I'm sorry you went through what you did, but I just don't really know if there is any practical solution if you feel wronged. Perhaps one day we'll have the technology in place to be able to screen individuals and their genetic makeup to better assess a drug candidates risk of suffering a side effect? Unfortunately we're a long ways from that and the best we have now is the current system which I believe is pretty good.

As for the Biden and Fauci stuff, I don't really know about any of that. I mean I'm not gullible enough to believe that vaccines prevent diseases altogether or their transmission, but that's perhaps due to the fact of my privilege and education. I find it very hard to believe that either stated that a vaccine outright prevents a disease and spread. At the end of the day, I really don't care much about what either of those guys said as it is so easy to be emotional and get caught up in language and speak past other people that I've come to accept that what I say and what others hear can be completely two different things. Meaningful discussion and being open minded I feel is far more valuable than getting hung up on what some person I don't even know has said in a sound clip that pundits dissect.

As for food allergies, yes incidence is up. I've heard of that. The most widely adopted theory I'm aware of is that this is due to humans being cleaner and being exposed to a less hazardous environment. Only in the last few years heard people bringing up vaccines (people online or through tv stuff) as being a cause. Vaguely aware of studies involving introducing infants and the likes to small amounts of allergens to build immunity.

Regarding vaccine studies and government funding. Vaccine studies are conducted by the manufacturer (private entity). The FDA is very understaffed and only review the data and the studies conducted by manufacturers. They also perform planned and unplanned audits and are reported to by the manufacturer when it comes to post market surveillance. By in large, the FDA, while a regulator in name, puts most of the regulatory responsibility on the manufacturer to self regulate. I'm not sure if you aware of all of that, but the government is not as involved as it sounds like you think they are. As an agency much of the responsibility falls on self regulation which is why you end up occasionally with crazy bad actor stories like Elizabeth Holmes.

TBC

 

[Inclag]

Regarding research. Do you believe that more privately funded research should be happening before drugs are released and if so, by whom in addition to the manufacturer themselves? That doesn't seem pragmatic to me, but curious what you though a solution might be? Personally, once drugs are on the market, I much prefer independent research funded by government grants vs. private research. I would think there would be far much less conflict of interest that way as opposed to the other option. Point in case, dossiers and research released years later by entities like tobacco companies, chemical companies, oil companies regarding various hazards and risks inflicted on users and employees.

Sorry to hear about your Dad. You only ever have one of those. Are you comfortable sharing what happened? My wife suffered DVT from contraceptive medication when she was younger and was involved in a class action lawsuit. She saw the add for the class action during daytime TV after we married. She felt a little weird about calling/joining at first cause those TV commercials feel like they are for the 'ambulance chaser crowd', but I'm proud that she did because she apparently went through alot with the DVT. Fuck the people and the companies that shield immoral behaviour that can kill others. This was very different stuff than vaccines though. This company had withheld records, data, and internally there were communications of them knowing the risks and very real life or death consequences.

Unfortunately since the FDA is so reliant on self regulation, there are instances where bad human decisions and behaviour can have very real consequences to people like ourselves. I don't know what the solution is here. There are some real shitty and greedy people out there. I'm not sure more oversight will ever solve problems like this. Perhaps higher consequences for what should be criminal behavior for white color folks as opposed to lawsuits and fines, but that's not the society we live in.

Appreciate the discussion.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Regarding research. Do you believe that more privately funded research should be happening before drugs are released and if so, by whom in addition to the manufacturer themselves? That doesn't seem pragmatic to me, but curious what you though a solution might be? Personally, once drugs are on the market, I much prefer independent research funded by government grants vs. private research. I would think there would be far much less conflict of interest that way as opposed to the other option. Point in case, dossiers and research released years later by entities like tobacco companies, chemical companies, oil companies regarding various hazards and risks inflicted on users and employees.

Sorry to hear about your Dad. You only ever have one of those. Are you comfortable sharing what happened? My wife suffered DVT from contraceptive medication when she was younger and was involved in a class action lawsuit. She saw the add for the class action during daytime TV after we married. She felt a little weird about calling/joining at first cause those TV commercials feel like they are for the 'ambulance chaser crowd', but I'm proud that she did because she apparently went through alot with the DVT. Fuck the people and the companies that shield immoral behaviour that can kill others. This was very different stuff than vaccines though. This company had withheld records, data, and internally there were communications of them knowing the risks and very real life or death consequences.

Unfortunately since the FDA is so reliant on self regulation, there are instances where bad human decisions and behaviour can have very real consequences to people like ourselves. I don't know what the solution is here. There are some real shitty and greedy people out there. I'm not sure more oversight will ever solve problems like this. Perhaps higher consequences for what should be criminal behavior for white color folks as opposed to lawsuits and fines, but that's not the society we live in.

Appreciate the discussion.

In regards to the Covid vaccine, I just jumped in because I felt it was important. I was well aware of the initial side effects like flue like symptoms and it was only for a day and Myocarditis typically found in males 18-30, so really no biggie. First shot typical side effects, went on with life. Got the second, same initial side effects, so whatever. However a week later while riding as soon as my heart rate got up to 130-140bpm I would develop chest pains, but as soon as it dropped to 120bpm it would subside and I felt fine. This went on for a month or so and didn't think much of it, but lacked energy while doing MTB climbs at the end of the the day (4 mile climb out, the first 4 miles in I felt fine). I'm a guy so I've always muscled through pain unless gets unbearable. Back up this, 8 months before Covid I had a stress test done, just because, kind of a preventive maintenance thing, so knew things should be ok. Dec 2021 went and got the first booster, a week later on the ride, chest pains are back along with lack of energy. Again I was Mr. Tough Guy for 3 months, and finally decided to see the cardiologist, same pain and lack of energy while riding. Did another Stress test, and paid out of pocket a Calcium Score test, all came back normal. Started doing my own research on Google nothing came up, start thinking is this information being suppressed by our government? Went on Duckduckgo and started looking into studies from Israel & Europe and there were studies showing myocarditis is effecting older people too and a greater rate than mentioned in the US. So now I start wondering, is our government hiding critical information regarding more potential negative side effects on this particular vaccine that they were making mandatory for some individuals? Now I start thinking, are infant type vaccines causing Autism, food allergy's etc. and it's being kept quite? Are these drug manufactures paying off the FDA to look the other way because these are major money makers? Then I look at these school shootings, they are all young kids so why is this happening? Could these kids be on antidepressants and/or ADHD medications and allows them to not rationally think these things through? This stuff never happened 30 years ago, so why now? These medications are fairly new, so is there a connection that's being covered up? I've never seen a gun on it's own go on a rampage, it's always someone behind it pulling the trigger.

My dad died of a intracerebral hemorrhage. He was on vacation with my mom in Palm Desert, complained of a headache and collapsed. They kept him on life support to for my brother and I to say goodbye before pulling the plug. I had to fly out last minute with just the clothes on my back as I was out to dinner with my wife in another city. My wife drove me immediately to the airport and I caught the first plane out. It was the worst day of my life!

Thank you for having a rationalized conversation with me!

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Thank you for posting the graphic but a random picture is not a source.

I assume you ripped the graphic from here since that was the first link that showed up when searching for that title, which I find very funny since this is a multi-page article detailing a variety of explanations for why those numbers shouldn't be taken at face value, but you chose to screen shot a graphic out of context because you knew the context reflected poorly on your story.

Your conclusions are false, and I posted a variety of sources showing that, all of which (at this point) have many years of data. Also just in case you were wondering, you making up random numbers and declaring them the benchmark for "effectiveness" is not how science works. In fact, there's even more CDC data that, if this were a normal conversation with a person who I thought might take things seriously, I would probably make an effort at re-plotting. But when presented with primary source literature which contradicts your beliefs, you don't reconsider the beliefs - you just ignore the literature.

I remember seeing it on the CDC's site in 2022 because of my health issues while doing research. It's no longer there because it was 3 years ago. If the government was mandating a vaccine, can these studies be tainted to convince the public they are safe and effective? Anyways, you do you. Get the boosters, if it makes you feel safer more power to you! For me personally, my Covid symptoms were much worse while vaccinated than not. Plus accompanied with my nasty side effects, I am permanently Covid vaccine free. End of discussion.