MOST. Not all. Have you even taken a look at the welds on a lifetime? They are infact the nicest I have ever seen, the weld quality surpasses many italian road frames that I have built up. I do agree for the most part, the welds on bikes such as banshee's, .243s, etc are very very good, the endless is just a tad cleaner for thte most part.Transcend said:
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From my experience Endless has been very good to me. sorry to hear that. I will say though, .243 is amazing to deal with. mr. Eric Fox puts so much work into his company its amazing. Plus how many small frame companies offer 3 sizes, and 3 styles. Its no wonder they are begining to really sell it seems.Castle said:gonna try and keep this as simple and to the point as possible,
I owned a Endless frame for a short period of time, there are a few reasons behind it; but to sum them up, the frame was not the quality I expected, the ride quality was not what I expected either, and neither was the customer service.... overall very unhappy with the whole experience
I considered the fellas at Endless my friends prior to this experience...
I have to say that I loved my cheap taiwan piece of crap .243 to pieces, those bicycles ride so nice!
I'd love to try a cheap piece of crap taiwan D.O.C.
But.. I would say that endless and .243 have slightly different markets. I ride my endless xc at times, I would not think of doing that on my 243 last season.
Nope, I bought mine new.Castle said:
If yours is blue, I do know the guy that owns it, he lives quite a ways north of me.
I just run mine singlespeed, I did once have an x.7 drive on it. I just ran an evil bashring and it never fell off.
Your ASX? It may have been hand-built but it was hand-built in Taiwan...biggins said:
Not that I care. I ride a Taiwanese 6" travel frame that sells for $2,200
I just read the comment and I have to say it's fairly benign and totally ambiguous. I don't think it's really fair to say they are specifically talking about Evil...
I know I'm going to piss a few people off by saying this, but what really makes any of the "New school" hard tails better then the others? Why is everyone on this forum so overly impressed with Evil? The only thing that has ever made me like Evil frames is the fact that I think its pretty damn cool that they say "Evil" on the side. Lets be honest with ourselves here, if you Want to ride an Urban/DJ hardtail there are no shortage of good choices! If I were to buy something new, and money were not an object, i would probably go with an Endless over a DOC, or I'd especially go with a Revell 250R, or a brooklyn Park bike over any of them. I happend to go with a frame distributed by a company that gives tons of support to people in my area. But honestly, who cares, I would happily ride a stock P-1 if it were my only option. Maybe Endless was directing that comment at Evil, or maybe not. I understand the frustration Endless must be facing right now when everyone in the world is coming up with a product that is competitive with theirs, and offering it at lower costs. They just need to stop bashing these companies, and figure out a better way to market themselves. Especially with a product that doesn't get much more complicated then short chain stays, good head and seat tube angles, and a low enough top tube to throw tricks over!
As a side note, Losing Anson was a huge blow to Endless. That guys bad ass!
As a side note, Losing Anson was a huge blow to Endless. That guys bad ass!
Whether that comment was directed at us is hard to say (and really not a big deal to us), but let me address the statement regarding Taiwanese frames being 'cheap crap'. Our DOC's are manufactured in Taiwan for the simple fact that it's fantastic work for a great price. We saw a huge demand for a well-built, innovative, and most of all, affordable hardtail, and the best way to achieve that goal was by going to Taiwan. For the Sovereign, that's being manufactured in the U.S., mostly because we were more comfortable with our U.S. subcontractor's ability to manipulate the very strong but tricky-to-work-with Reynolds 853 tubing.
. . . which brings me to another point. A lot of other frames have been mentioned in this thread, but I don't think you'll find another frame on the market in the $400 - $500 price range that has quite the same quality tubeset (Reynolds 631) as we're speccing on the DOC. The strength-to-weight ratio of our air-hardened 631 tubes is far greater than the CrMo that most other companies are selling at this price, as 631 actually increases in strength where heat is applied (the welds) while CrMo loses strength at the welds.
Anyway, I hope all of you that have been receiving the DOCs are happy with them. We've been shipping them out like gangbusters around here, but we still have plenty in stock, so call or Email if you'd like more info.
Later!
John P.
Evil
207-772-3132
johnp@evilbikes.com
. . . which brings me to another point. A lot of other frames have been mentioned in this thread, but I don't think you'll find another frame on the market in the $400 - $500 price range that has quite the same quality tubeset (Reynolds 631) as we're speccing on the DOC. The strength-to-weight ratio of our air-hardened 631 tubes is far greater than the CrMo that most other companies are selling at this price, as 631 actually increases in strength where heat is applied (the welds) while CrMo loses strength at the welds.
Anyway, I hope all of you that have been receiving the DOCs are happy with them. We've been shipping them out like gangbusters around here, but we still have plenty in stock, so call or Email if you'd like more info.
Later!
John P.
Evil
207-772-3132
johnp@evilbikes.com
Again, I offer my soul for a large black one.
But the AS-X is not one of them.biggins said:
The old style AS-X was, when they still had the 1 1/8" headtube. The new ones (in the style you have) are not, however - they're made overseas.
Not the ASX, not now not ever that I'm aware of...biggins said:
The teal blue bikes are USA made all others are not.
NOTE: I met the guy who is making the Sovereigns (at Downieville riding this summer) right here in CA and I think it's cool that with Evil you have the option of a high-end Tawain or super high-end USA frame...
It doesn't really make sense for a lot of street/DJ'ers to spend serious coin onn a frame that's going to get thrashed anyway. Kinda like buying $100 skate shoes, WTF???
It doesn't really make sense for a lot of street/DJ'ers to spend serious coin onn a frame that's going to get thrashed anyway. Kinda like buying $100 skate shoes, WTF???
word, thats my justification on most of the new urban frames. i beat mine to death cause i am not very smoove. i tear through chainstays, pile it up at the dirt jumps, buckle top tubes, destroy forks (and arms). Im lookin at getting one of those azonic steel heads. An evil DOC would be nice, its by far my favorite frame of theirs, but i cant lay down that kind of coin for a frame that i might get at best 2 years out of.
While that may be true, I know some of the Evil guys who have been trashing the crap out of their frames since they first came out. I saw Alex's bike last year in Jersey, and he has been beating that thing for years.biggins said:
Good engineering is more important than even the frame material.
Disclaimer: I have not been on a hardtail in years, and my comments are based on observation and e-spec.
There is an e-brake joke somewhere in there but its just too corny to type.biggins said: