Grab one of the previous generation Float 36RC2 chassis and throw one of these in there; https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf_8vD_Bulx/?hl=en&taken-by=vorsprungsuspension
Feel free to hijack away. Actually stoked at the information contained in this thread.
For me the thread has pretty much run it’s course as I am mostly decided on a Fox 36 factory rc2 170mm boost fork. I loved the 2012 36 I had before the xfusion. Iam also considering a DVO diamond in 160mm, but no one seemed to mention it, so they must suck?
I am curious if it is as simple as old forks to adjust travel on the new 36 forks ? I may simple go straight to 160mm and I’ll I will need is a couple of spacers, eh?
Give them a call. There was an issue with them not receiving emails for some time. It's a common misconception that they were intentionally not returning emails, which is not true. Ask for Colin or Eric.as much as i want to be a cane creek fanboy, being in nc, i have to say that they let me down with a rebuild of my db coil, which worked great after they fully rebuilt it, for about four rides, and then started clunking. despite repeated emails i never heard back from them about returning it to be fixed. hrmf.
I hate it when my shock is not receiving emails.Give them a call. There was an issue with them not receiving emails for some time. It's a common misconception that they were intentionally not returning emails, which is not true. Ask for Colin or Eric.
ftfy...inverted pike comes out in 2 weeks, i'd wait.
I bought a Yari for 500.00 then got an Avy cart. With the HSB. Told Craig I like a decent amount of LSC but want it to blow off on rocky/rooty high speed hits. I got wat i asked for and spent less.FWIW - If dollar-for-dollar results are what makes this decision be made, find the Yari / Lyrik chassis new or used you can fit its dimensions upon, fill the obligatory information on Avalanche's web site and expect to be impressed. I have had 2 full seasons on a Totem w/ Midvalve (dw*link on the rear) and there's been no comparison to it.
My weighing 190lbs places me at the support-side of suspension under load. Having sorted out the ride as best I could and then committing to Craig in CT for that last something... worth it.
Choices are for you to make, some people need to have what everyone else is buying, Other people can manage with having to put in some extra effort and/or an investment of time in order to get results.
The DVO's do take a lot more time and fiddling with setting to get just right compared to the RS, but the people that have them all seem to love them.I rode the diamond, drank the lime-aid, moved on. Was no better than my pike RC and was worse in some ways.
I have their simple compression block om my Yaris (https://www.mrc-trading.de/Fahrwerk/Tuning/FAST-compression-kit-Daempfungseinheit-fuer-RockShox-Yari.html with the purple knob) which is the same as the Splug from Novyparts (https://www.novyparts.com/optimisation-novyparts-suspensions-vtt/rock-shox-fourches/splug.html all black nowadays). It replaces the shitty moco damper with a proper a needle and valved shims piston, the rebound is not changed. This and a Luftkappe or equivalent air kit from Novyparts lifted my Yari to the best fork I ever had, better than the original Pike, better than the 36 Float (mine had a sticky air piston), better than my Van 36 RC2 with metal shaving in the damper, better than my old Marzo 66SL. And don't get me wrong, the Fox forks can be great: I really like my non inverted Float 36 RC2 after modification of the shim stack and improvement of the negative spring, it is just that the 2 latest exemplar I got from Fox where faulty... the subject as already been beaten to death here http://ridemonkey.bikemag.com/threads/2015-fox-36-harsh.276499/One of the guys racing last week had a Lyrik or Pike with that FAST damper fitted. Felt really nice in the comprehensive carpark push dyno test. Has anyone here run one?
Some just set sag. turn everything except rebound to full open and ride. It's honestly fine not to have suspension dialed to the Nth degree. Possibly even liberating.some people need to have what everyone else is buying, Other people can manage with having to put in some extra effort and/or an investment of time in order to get results.
Yeah, I like the idea but I have to admit that I am a nerd and I actually quite enjoy the journey of setting up my suspensions, trying different stuff, sharing some experience with people on the other side of the earth, learning something...Possibly even liberating
What travel setting did you get , I have been considering it for my 36 on my 29er. It has a dead spot mid travel at times. Plus I love the feel of coil I miss my old CR66 .If it didn't require a new boost front wheel I'd give the MRP Ribbon coil a try. I've been really happy with my Push coil converted 36 RC2.
I have both the 150 and 160 kits. I'm in between spring rates so I wound up going stiffer on the 150 setup. That brought me close to full open on both low and high speed compression so I had it revalved.What travel setting did you get , I have been considering it for my 36 on my 29er. It has a dead spot mid travel at times. Plus I love the feel of coil I miss my old CR66 .
This!@Happymtb.fr: I had a Mattoc Pro for a while, and thought pretty highly of it, especially when they can be found for $500 or so. The chassis definitely is not as stiff as a 36, roughly on par with a Pike in my estimation, and the damper is a little less refined than the Fox, but it's perfectly solid. The hydraulic bottom out works quite well. Overall it's not quite up there with the 36, but it's 90% of the way there for a lot less than 90% of the price. I'd recommend it.
Hmmmm do you have any idea when available? Social-meeds stalked these guys and didn't see any details. Color me interested....Grab one of the previous generation Float 36RC2 chassis and throw one of these in there; https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf_8vD_Bulx/?hl=en&taken-by=vorsprungsuspension
Way way more complex than it needs to be. This why yari/lyrical+Avy. Simple and done.This!
Serviceability though....the rebound and air spring rods are screwed into the lowers, which means a) clockwise=loosen, counter-clockwise=tighten, it's counter intuitive and you have to think about it every time. Left thread is the answer, but someone's gotta figure it out first.... b) you need special 8mm thin wall socket fro the air rod c) there's no room for error - if you over tighten it you either need new rod (if you round off the air rod 8mm hex) or new lowers+ new rod if you go wrong with the rebound rod...Even though I had the Mattoc for 2 years, had the tools and the knowledge and serviced it at least 10 times eventually somehow I cross-threaded the rebound rod, despite the thread being quite coarse. The allen key slipped (the allen 'interface' walls are fairly thin), so I had to destroy it as well as the thread in the lowers just to detach the rod from the lowers...ended up selling the usable parts of fork. Typical Manitou - they made a great performing fork, but something had to be totally f*ed up, so why not make it complete shit in the serviceability department?!
Currently I have an awfully cheap 2nd hand 2016 Yari with Luftkappe, so air spring is 100% sorted. I leave the shitty MoCo open, because it's totally useless, so someday I'll either get a Splug or throw some more $$ for a Charger 2. On the FUBAR part, I managed to over-tighten the rebound bolt on the Yari as well (see a pattern here?), unlike f*ing Manitou the RS rebound bolt just snapped, removed (easily!) the part left in the rod, bought a new one for 10$, job done. There's a lot to be asked in the compression damping department, but in terms of stiffness, air spring and serviceability the Yari is on another level compared to the Mattoc. Yes, there's the Luftkappe, but then again I had an IRT in the Mattoc, otherwise its air spring is just OK.
Just 170mm kits. 140mm-160mm kits have been shipping since last July.just got email from Push - 160 and 170 spring kits for fox 36 and RS available late april early may. New gray spring will work with riders up to 255 (previous limit of 235)
yippie!
Then there's MST suspension, which has tuning kits for Charger cartridges aswell as a complete cartridge for the Yari and the Boxxer. The kits start at around 150€.The upgrade cartridge for the Lyrik is 349€ over here while the Fast Suspension 3-way cartridge can be had for 279€ including installation.
The aluminum part is fixed into the lower stanchion with a circlip. The slidey piston is still plastic. So no increase in gouged stanchion tubes.I look forward to people having main air piston seal failures, and immediately gouging the shit out of their stanchions with the aluminum sealhead and needing a new CSU too.
Sorry, i have absolutely no experience with MST. Is their cartridge like the AWK air spring in that is has been declared essential by the mtb-news forum?Then there's MST suspension, which has tuning kits for Charger cartridges aswell as a complete cartridge for the Yari and the Boxxer. The kits start at around 150€.
http://www.m-suspensiontech.com/
Teh germans seem to swear by their stuff.
I am tempted to try it out sooner or later.
Do @Sandro or @Flo33 experience with these tuning gadgets?
Oh okay, I didn't look close enough. That sounds fine then.The aluminum part is fixed into the lower stanchion with a circlip. The slidey piston is still plastic. So no increase in gouged stanchion tubes.
this is now my fork, and have been extremely pleased with it. i've since added the IRT upgrade which basically creates a dual rate (positive) air spring, and as a result you're not relying as much on the hydraulic bottom out. definitely an option worth considering for a "budget" fork.@Happymtb.fr: I had a Mattoc Pro for a while, and thought pretty highly of it, especially when they can be found for $500 or so. The chassis definitely is not as stiff as a 36, roughly on par with a Pike in my estimation, and the damper is a little less refined than the Fox, but it's perfectly solid. The hydraulic bottom out works quite well. Overall it's not quite up there with the 36, but it's 90% of the way there for a lot less than 90% of the price. I'd recommend it.
Sorry, i have absolutely no experience with MST. Is their cartridge like the AWK air spring in that is has been declared essential by the mtb-news forum?
It's just the stationary sealhead they changed, not the dynamic piston (from what I can see it's still delrin).I look forward to people having main air piston seal failures, and immediately gouging the shit out of their stanchions with the aluminum sealhead and needing a new CSU too.
Yeah you're right, I didn't look close enough and thought they meant the dynamic piston. Seems fine.It's just the stationary sealhead they changed, not the dynamic piston (from what I can see it's still delrin).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't see a problem there?
No argument there.IIf we want to rip on RS though - it's hilarious that their original "upgrade" charger damper took the HSC adjuster away from everyone because it was better for them, and their "new upgrade" damper puts the HSC adjuster back because now that's better for them. What's even better is that it only has 5-clicks, so when they finally decide to give it proper range/granularity like Fox's HSC adjuster in the RC2 (the entire damper which they made an inferior copy of), it'll be their third opportunity to milk money from enduro plebs on the same product.
I think the Lyrik is a nice enough fork but I think it really needed to be pointed out that they could have done all this in the first place when they copied that damper.