'Ere mister wheres the engine?"
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Wow. WTF?
Left side single speed too, super sweet.
Left side single speed too, super sweet.
Wow... At last something to make all of our DH bikes seem light....
Brian
Brian
ah, that's classic stuff.
You have GOT to be joking...
Looks flexy... :dancing:
Wow. Bender finally has a bike to correct for his Benderness.
That is just too funny and he of course has all the Fox gear too.
I have seen the freeride version and its sweeet!
I have seen the freeride version and its sweeet!
what's with the XT mech stuck on it?
I'd like to see him get it on a chairlift! Think its a camelback per run on a pedally course?
I'd like to see him get it on a chairlift! Think its a camelback per run on a pedally course?
Looks like there are three gears.scottishmark said:
I'll bet it's seriously oversprung without the wieght of the motor. If you could pedal it you'd be very uncomfortable with a saddle that wide. It'd still be fun to take on the lifts though.
It doesn't look that different from the BMW "rubber duck"
Albeit, the craftmanship on the BMW was a little bit higher.
Albeit, the craftmanship on the BMW was a little bit higher.
Check out the upper tubes of the fork! They're smaller than most forks for mountain bikes.
I love looking at useless contraptions like that.
I love looking at useless contraptions like that.
Some observations. The frame is been chopped up and only a couple key point retained. Most likely lighter than stick frame.
rear wheel looks to be relaced to a narrower front rim....lightens up that section.
Atleast he used an 80cc frame.
Probably has some of the best brakes in the biz.
I think you can get that bike sprung soft enough. ....especially for a guy like me.
How hard would it have been to just run the cranks on the final drive side? If there is no gear box of any kind he could have just ran it unconventionally and saved wieght and hassle.
All said I would give it a go but it needs clips....
rear wheel looks to be relaced to a narrower front rim....lightens up that section.
Atleast he used an 80cc frame.
Probably has some of the best brakes in the biz.
I think you can get that bike sprung soft enough. ....especially for a guy like me.
How hard would it have been to just run the cranks on the final drive side? If there is no gear box of any kind he could have just ran it unconventionally and saved wieght and hassle.
All said I would give it a go
but it needs clips....
I will bet a $1 that they those forks are stronger.....and heavier than most MTB forks.ChrisRobin said:
As far as useless.....how do you think you DH freeride bikes came to be?
RhinofromWA said:I will bet a $1 that they those forks are stronger.....and heavier than most MTB forks.
As far as useless.....how do you think you DH freeride bikes came to be?
Internet engineers going at it again.....
Can you get a degree in internet engineering?
nope, only 'online technical speculation'buildyourown said:
Nicebuildyourown said:
I am banking on a unscientific assumption that a fork made for a bike that goes bigger and weighs more than a Dh MTB is designed to hold up to alittle more abuse....because it needs to. If that is off a KX80 like all the rest of the Kawi parts seem to be hailing from, you don't need a degree to make a logical statement.
I guess you could thow an 888 on a KX80 and tell a kid to go hammer some whoop field or go do that triple.
I could make an asumption on how the fork would hold up....considering the fork wieghs a good deal less..Oh that is right, MTB corners the market on beef cake designs.....our stuff never breaks or tweeks. I must have been thinking of some other two wheeled beasts.
Upon reflection at lunch, I realized that the bike still needs a free wheel if you were to run it all on the left side. Now the dang pic won't upload to see the three gears someone mentioned above.....
I saw he had a freehub mounted with that derailler. It looked like he had 2-3 cogs on it in addition to the three front chainrings. With this setup, the left side chain would be movng when coasting. It takes all the efficiency out of that design.
And Rhino, I would wager that some DH bikes are ridden quite a bit harder than a 15 yr old KX80 was designed to be ridden. Just a hunch.
And Rhino, I would wager that some DH bikes are ridden quite a bit harder than a 15 yr old KX80 was designed to be ridden. Just a hunch.
Yeah I was kinda glazed over thinking about it and thought...."uh oh what about the damn freewheel?"buildyourown said:
Does it look like he can shift the front rings? Looks like a block chain guide for the big ring only.
Now who needs an online degree? Maybe you?
Have you looked at the 80cc racers out there hammering away? MTB forks are built to be light....I wouldn't even put the beloved Monster T directly into a dirt bike application for an 80cc bike. That is not putting down MTB forks at all. With humans as engines we need all that wieght removed as realistically possible. But for all out MX while those forks are not top of the line by MX standards they are strong. You see frames buckle (rare) before you see forks bend/fail. I have seen maybe 3 forks in my life that have bent. 2 from head on collisions with another rider at high speeds and one from an unfortunate ditch in the desert at high speed.
MTB forks have larger diam tubes because why? to a point you can make a fork lighter and stiffer, right? Let me know if I am wrong. Well it also makes the fork more prone to failure because of it....stiffer is not always stronger. I had a pair of old Answer DH bars (Pre Protapers) and the were straight gauge thick walled bars. They were heavy, strong but not frail. This was in the time of light weight bars that you had to worry if you scratched the annodization for fear it would fail there.
I ask you to think harder on the abuse MX equipment takes and why all 80cc MX bikes aren't just Dh bikes with an engine shoe horned in. They wouldn't last.
I'm sure brian can verify this, but i am pretty damn sure the monster T WAS a moto fork to begin with...RhinofromWA said:
Ya, that is what I thought. Thanks!Zark said:
CBJ said:
I heard the freeride version uses air shocks to save a little weight and make it easier to pedal uphill.
Exactly the same? Doubt it. It was lightened up for sure.Transcend said:
Every Trials bike I have seen (maybe 15 total in the last 10 yrs) and had a good look at had beefier forks than a Monster T. Be it at the drop outs, the crowns etc their is more beef. I suspect the over all construction was lightened up some on teh MTB version.
Not that the fork doesn't perform just like the trials fork....just they are not the same. The Monster T didn't need the extra wieght or material there. Same way as the Shiver MX fork is not the same as the MTB fork.
Not that I didn't expect someone to mention the Monster T That is why I brought it up.
But I awaite Brians post saying the Monster T was not modified to being it to MTB applications.
Did you know the fork as a trials fork? Or are you going off of Internet opinion and marketing information?Zark said:
Side note....I saw in a new motorcycle mag that they are experimenting with air USD forks in European MX. You could say some MTB tech is trickling to MX or you can say MX is revisiting its air shock era from the 70's....
I thought it was interesting.
I thought it was interesting.
If the Marz Monster T came "directly" from a Moto-trials fork....does anyone have pics of the old moto-trial fork to prove it? That would be troublesome to my argument but wouldn't kill it...it would still require you to back up your statements.
That would be troublesome to my argument but wouldn't kill it...it would still require you to back up your statements. 
whoa. That makes my DH bike look so tiny and wimpy compared to that thingwysiwyg said:
Hmm, with my DH bike, I could out climb him.... lol 
neaky: I wonder how much it weighs and how much travel it has....
OH GOD! That thing is soo tight! Must be wierd to ride though...
kidwoo said:
Is he still alive?
He will always bend, but never break.Slacker said:
So, yes.
No pics, but yes, I have heard this before, and I THINK it was from Brian, I'll try to dig it up. As far as I know, it was modded, but minimally.RhinofromWA said:If the Marz Monster T came "directly" from a Moto-trials fork....does anyone have pics of the old moto-trial fork to prove it?
Monsters weren't exactly "directly" from trials. the basic design was the same but all the steel bits were replaced by alu, the damping was totally different and funnily enough the springs were softer too
You can actually purchase this electric Dirtbike built as shown (Super Monster up front you'll notice) and it weighs about 165 lbs, heavier than a 80cc bike I believe.RhinofromWA said:If the Marz Monster T came "directly" from a Moto-trials fork....does anyone have pics of the old moto-trial fork to prove it?
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thats so sweet. My friend was trying to do the same thing but couldnt figure out anything for the freewheel i think. That thing would be such a sick urban huckster
That is cool for a bike that the Magazines tested on a BMX track.DH Dad said:
If you would also notice the bike is not even considered to be used in a MX/SX like fashion. Atleast I have never heard of it being used that way.
And I wouldn't put it up against an 80cc MX bike for durability of major suspension components as those wheels would be trashed if you let a mini-pilot do a bunch of hot laps on a MX course. That fork as burly as it is has nothing on a MX fork. I think even that Monster T is lighter than the one pictured above.
With that said I wouldn't mind tooling around on that rig either.
It is cooler than any Vespa I ever saw.