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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by bncproductions, Apr 29, 2008.
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Nice. It's always good to see pros using their influenceto give-back and grow the sport. Carter was always a classy guy before this initiative, but this definitely puts him in the top from a mountain bike legend/historical perspecitive.
If only it wasn't 3000 miles away!
So stoked for socal!
I'd love to have another winter getaway.
Race in May!!!!
Nope...... would have loved to....
but courses are not ready for any type of traffic, we need some water.
but once the DH course's get up and running and the park is open i would like to hold a series of local races and if I'm half way decent at that a bigger festival next year some time.
One of the rare moments I'm actually wishing for rain.
Any chance of carving out a DS course?? There are still a few die hard DS guys out there that would love to see that...plus it's a little cheaper to get into that sport (= more people).
Big ups to EC. Hope that thing blows up like crazy...because if it does that means SoCal gets back on board the DH craze and the whole industry will get that much more amped up to go out and get some real sponsors again.
So freakin psyched for this. With Vail Lake opening and The Stump Grinder Dirt club and Elings park expanding there's more venues and more RACES! Yeah So-Cal!
now if you all can make sure you don't burn the whole place down or go sliding off into the ocean...it should work really well.
Hey EC...what about rigging a 5 x8 landscape trailer with tall tires and a water tank to a Mule (the motorized kind) and hosing it that way? Just cut the mud flaps off the trailer and install a set of lift blocks on the leaf springs, strap the tank on and away you go.
we have an area planned out for DS and MTX....but it's not something that is a priority....main deal is getting the DH courses up and running,
we are looking into different type's of watering systems to try to get this thing off the ground.
without water i keep telling the owner not to open it up to traffic.....it would just create lots of erosion and maintenance issues at a later date.
what about a water tank up top and some of those garden misting deals, one on each side of the trail, running the entire length?
i realize that's a little crazy, but how cool would it be to mist down the trail at the end of every day?
There would be quite a bit of loss to evaporation.
A drip irrigation system would be great, but getting it to disperse evenly would be very difficult
I actually saw footage of a place in europe doing just this. They have commercial watering system down the side of the course and spray it down at regular intervals.
Perpetual hero dirt.
We can follow suit from N*. Isn't Livewire irrigated like twice a day?
Ah ya, it is indeed. It was north star I saw, not europe.
yea N* had it set up nice. althoe, i did go through there right after watering and it was muddy
hey eric did it get any rain today? it was cloudy in hemet where i live but only a couple drops came down
I was out near winerys today, not a drop has fallen.
it would take a storm not an overcast day.....we are looking into alternatives to waiting for weather to get the trails packed to a point of being ridable for large numbers.
everyone get on your moccasins and start dancing around
Can any water be sucked out of that lake to be used on trails, or is that a no-no?
What would it take to get water if it doesn't rain? Maybe someone on here has the connections to get it done?
Another thought would be to throw one race and use the profits to buy a watering system. ... If that's possible, I don't know what the dirt is like.
looking into all those options.........i would say the leader of the race is water truck and fire hose....followed closely by gravity feed sprinkler system.
i would say fire hose deal to get things up and running and then later date sprinkler system.
there are also a couple of races that will be using the shuttle road....so until these events are complete i don't see the park being opened
good thing is the owner wants it open now...so he is motivated to get stuff done and is working towards it which is a different story then say 3 months ago.
Not doubting your assessment because I don't know the area........but dry dirt can pack eventually if things are built well (ie turns that people won't be sliding or locking brakes through)
Northstar is about as dry as it gets and hard lines do form with zero precip in a summer. I'm not talking about livewire......I mean years past.
I've built plenty of trails in the same dirt that have hardened as well with zero water. Again I don't know vail lake but I've seen it happen here. There's a network of trails nearby in nevada that you can literally build rideable jumps with completely dry dirt. Pretty amazing stuff and not representative of all soil but still.....
woo if you can get his dirt to pack with no water i think you could walk on H20......after working on the Skid steer i'm confident that i was the all time champion of the booger contest! picture building jumps with bags of Flour......there is actually a climb called Chalk hill on some of the XC stuff.
i found some wet dirt when building a couple feet down and it packed very good...motos have hit the jumps and not torn them up.
but i'm positive we need some precip, real or manufactured.
IMBA studies show that one of the most efficient compaction tools for firming up new tread on a trail is the knobbies of a rolling bicycle tire....just sayin'
do you have a pump track on it? that would be cool, with all that space you could have a massive one.
That pretty much describes northstar
I'm not talking about building a bunch of perfect squared off lips as much as I am about wearing in a trail. I was more thinking that singletrack would get the place open as a priority over a bunch of sculpted dirt features.
I've just seen some turns wear in before in extremely dry places with no water. Everything up here is either decomposed granite or volcanic very fine dust. For the norcal guys, you remember gypsy the first two weeks northstar was open? Nothing but piles of powder. By midsummer, the turns that weren't poorly placed were well grooved in.
Again, I don't know the dirt down there and I don't know how much restriction you guys have with erosion regulation and who you need to be on your best behavior for........I just wanted to share what I've seen in what's probably the shlttiest dirt I've ever worked with. It takes traffic though. Either way, I wish you guys some luck. Good work heading this up.
Ah man, different coasts, different problems.
You guys need a sprinkler system, and we normally need
hair dryers lining the course.
We should totally swap a few hundred dump trucks.
Looks Great. You going to have Winter Events E.C? 4x, SD? Great Job. Not seen you at Wahoos for awhile !
Gobig! hahaha love it, not sure bout winter series stuff...don't want to force rides to choose between Donnies winter series at Fontana and the Vail lake stuff......
Donnie has done a great job out there and i want to respect what he has built...
maybe some spring and fall stuff though.
i haven'tbeen to wahoo's for ever...been outta town
Can't wait. Only 25min from my house.
E.C. - Any way us local riders can help out?
yup, just not yet....when the complete trail network is agreed upon we are going to ask for some volunteer help to get the park completed.
By the sound of all the help being offered we are going to have a sick trail building party.
How cum yer PM box is always FULL, E.C.? How the heck am I supposed to stalk you under these conditions? Can I atleast have your unlisted, private home number then? Maybe an address...?
When is the movie coming out?
When I say so! We just started editing and we have hours and hours of footage.We will have a new trailer in a few weeks to replace the old lame one and by then I will have a better idea of a release a date.So ask me again later and let me get back to the maddness of editing. Thanks oh and I will be in Colorado soon so I guess we can shoot something with you and the mojo crew.
Get this http://www.sprayer-outlet.com/15galtow.htm filled with water.
It's not how much water - it's wherer the water is put.
A pressure sprayer like this shoots the water 20 feet.
Stand in one spot and put 15 Gallons on a whole berm.