bring on the plastic bikes!
Evil Carbon?
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Going from one first year design to another...
I certainly don't excuse companies (and unfortunately in this case the guys seem to good guys) for not being able to uphold their end of the deal, or sending out products that need to be serviced out of the box etc.,etc. BUT
this should be a bit of a lesson to people. Do you really need to run out , pre order, paste photos all over the internet of the latest and greatest bike?
I don't care how great people say it is, or will be, there are too many other good options out there with reliable track records to gamble on something this expensive. Wait a season, it might actually improve your season, while you may not be riding the coolest thing on the block..you'll be riding instead of waiting for warranties.
wow, while I expected this thread to cause a bit of a stir, I didn't think it would raise so many e-hackles...
I don't own an Evil, but think they are nice bikes. I thought this would make the fan boys happy. I really hope Evil are able to overcome this, caus' I think they're good for the sport and bring a fresh outlook to the industry...
I'm almost sorry I posted it (though I guess someone else would have if I hadn't)
I don't own an Evil, but think they are nice bikes. I thought this would make the fan boys happy. I really hope Evil are able to overcome this, caus' I think they're good for the sport and bring a fresh outlook to the industry...
I'm almost sorry I posted it (though I guess someone else would have if I hadn't)
so youre saying go buy another bike while you wait for warranties?
its not like we were expecting to spend $2900+ on a frame and have it break
Ugh....I feel ill at the the thought of it.
No.
Hes saying that resisting the urge to buy the 1st year product sometimes means you can be riding your older albeit "less cooler" frame while the 1st year buyers are not riding a full sesaon due to unfufilled warranty issues.
But.....but....how can I be cool on the Interwebz then? Drilling my old frame to get current geometry? Done. Cool paint job with custom fork decals? Every kid rides it these days. Wearing TLD gear? Have you been to a race lately? Decking my ride out with all white parts? Sooooo 2009!
OK Mr Knowitall: what to do then?
1st batch frame here. No issues aside from a stripped bolt, been riding non-stop. I havent had to wait for a replacement frame so obviously I have no complaints here.
You're quite lucky I would have to say.
Hehehehe. Don't know about Xprezo. They have a pretty big following at QC races. Filled the blank Balfa left (still with a steel swingarm!)Have you ever dealt with a Quebec based company before? Don't hold your breath!
I Kid, I kid.
well if everyone did that, i dont think companys would really have too much success for their first gen models huh?
"first gen models"
AKA prototypes.
Bleeding edge suckers - what do you expect from a bunch of marketing-focussed yahoos?
fyp..But.....but....how can I be cool on the Interwebz then? Drilling my old frame to get current geometry? Done. Cool paint job with custom fork decals? Every kid rides it these days. Wearing TLD gear? Have you been to a race lately? Decking my ride out with all white parts? Sooooo 2006!
OK Mr Knowitall: what to do then?
I love my Xprezo.
there are tons of 303 pics out there, what specifically were you looking for?
i guess the delta link wasnt extra legitimate?
I have a second batch Revolt also from June 2009 and have had good success with it. I rode it hard and put it away wet. Almost 30 days at Whistler and several over the winter in the NW. Unfortunately now it sits because I'm in the flattest part of Europe evar!
I won't say it was problem free but both times I had a problem I was able to ride again the next day.
I won't say it was problem free but both times I had a problem I was able to ride again the next day.
with or without the TT brace?
I wasn't really serious. This thread stinks of a bike company headed down the drain (at least according to this thread). My post was to divert the attention to a company that perhaps doesn't stink and doesn't play marketing games and has a solid history of pleasing their customers all over the world (FWIW I don't own a Yeti). Just calling them out on that...in a moar phun way.
First batch frame here and no problem, yet.
rode it hard this summer in those "east coast rocks" without any issues... I guess I've been lucky.
rode it hard this summer in those "east coast rocks" without any issues... I guess I've been lucky.
You cant really compare a company that has a massive revenue stream, established relationships to factories, massive support network and a large financial stream to a company in it's second year, trying to grow and meet its customers demands and all the demands of starting said company. That's not really fair.I wasn't really serious. This thread stinks of a bike company headed down the drain (at least according to this thread). My post was to divert the attention to a company that perhaps doesn't stink and doesn't play marketing games and has a solid history of pleasing their customers all over the world (FWIW I don't own a Yeti). Just calling them out on that...in a moar phun way.
Hear that all you guys waiting on warranty from Evil? It's not fair to expect the same amount of customer service and performance from a new company than an older, established company. 
This is the internet, who said anything about being fair?
In all seriousness, I could care less about Evil. I do care a bit about Yeti, as I live in Yeti Country. And I do care how customers are treated and take that into account when I decide on a purchase. The above is just stirring the pot for entertainment. That's what the internet is for. Every company has issues. I'm sure the boyz at Evil will sort things out as they say. For now, I'll stick to Non-East Coast brands.
This is the internet, who said anything about being fair?
In all seriousness, I could care less about Evil. I do care a bit about Yeti, as I live in Yeti Country. And I do care how customers are treated and take that into account when I decide on a purchase. The above is just stirring the pot for entertainment. That's what the internet is for. Every company has issues. I'm sure the boyz at Evil will sort things out as they say. For now, I'll stick to Non-East Coast brands.
Uh, Evil is WC brother... Based in Seattle.Every company has issues. I'm sure the boyz at Evil will sort things out as they say. For now, I'll stick to Non-East Coast brands.
Unless you were talking FAR east?
You got it! Yeah, I coulda been clearer on that comedy. Perhaps I should have said "Asian Coast"? Nah, that sounds racial.
I also find all this interesting as an ever-learning business-type person. Like the decision to outsource to asia even when reports abound relayed the rising costs. Add to that everything is new and unproven. A new brand, new people, new invention, new tooling and fixtures, importing, etc. All that stuff. Sounds like more risk of screwing stuff up than if attempted from home turf for the first couple iterations. But of course its all about the benjamins. (In hind site) That decision would make a great case study, IMO. Whatevs I'm a nerd.
Let's make a list of all the domestic US factories that Evil could have chosen for WC-level DH bike production.
You got it! Yeah, I coulda been clearer on that comedy. Perhaps I should have said "Asian Coast"? Nah, that sounds racial.
I also find all this interesting as an ever-learning business-type person. Like the decision to outsource to asia even when reports abound relayed the rising costs. Add to that everything is new and unproven. A new brand, new people, new invention, new tooling and fixtures, importing, etc. All that stuff. Sounds like more risk of screwing stuff up than if attempted from home turf for the first couple iterations. But of course its all about the benjamins. (In hind site) That decision would make a great case study, IMO. Whatevs I'm a nerd.
So, would you buy a $4500 retail downhill frame? I didn't think so. Next argument?You got it! Yeah, I coulda been clearer on that comedy. Perhaps I should have said "Asian Coast"? Nah, that sounds racial.
I also find all this interesting as an ever-learning business-type person. Like the decision to outsource to asia even when reports abound relayed the rising costs. Add to that everything is new and unproven. A new brand, new people, new invention, new tooling and fixtures, importing, etc. All that stuff. Sounds like more risk of screwing stuff up than if attempted from home turf for the first couple iterations. But of course its all about the benjamins. (In hind site) That decision would make a great case study, IMO. Whatevs I'm a nerd.
Either I missed your point, or you're answering in the wrong thread.
Fact is, EVIL puts out some really good hype on the frames they make. Are they as good as they say? Debatable. But for the price they command, they better back them up.
As for US vs ASIA, I find it funny when people talk about asian made frames as if they were still a bunch of guys in a back alley with some hammers and a welding torch. I'd argue that some of the stuff coming out of asian soundly beats the US stuff, on both price and quality. I guess it comes down to what you want to pay the factory I guess. From what I've been told, you get levels of quality you can order just like anywhere else.
For the US factories, isn't Kinesis still running there out of Oregon? What about SAPA?
Either I missed your point, or you're answering in the wrong thread.
Fact is, EVIL puts out some really good hype on the frames they make. Are they as good as they say? Debatable. But for the price they command, they better back them up.
As for US vs ASIA, I find it funny when people talk about asian made frames as if they were still a bunch of guys in a back alley with some hammers and a welding torch. I'd argue that some of the stuff coming out of asian soundly beats the US stuff, on both price and quality. I guess it comes down to what you want to pay the factory I guess. From what I've been told, you get levels of quality you can order just like anywhere else.
For the US factories, isn't Kinesis still running there out of Oregon? What about SAPA?
Point is, if Evil tried to build completely built in the USA frames, they would coast a good order of magnitude more than they currently do...and they are already pretty pricey. And as you mention, the stuff coming out of taiwan is better than 90% of the stuff that comes out of the US anyways at this point.
SAPA, Kinesis - aren't these the factories where other popular brands such as Turner and Santa Cruz have in the past had production delays that also border on the ridiculous?
SAPA is the only one left as far as I know. Kinesis is gone from these shores. There are no contract production facilities outside of setting up shop from scratch. I would imagine the wages necessary to draw the talent we've come to expect just isn't feasible in North America. It's a shame as I'd like as much as anyone to have available a quality product built here. Not to say it doesn't exist with Intense and some boutique frame shops (mostly steel, road & XC), but as a startup, I just can't see it making sense.
I know some tool and component manufactures that would disagree with that.
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No transcend knows everything... end of story...
Exactly what about the manufacturing on the Revolt would make it $4500 here? Nothing terribly complex going on there.
And the other 10% is from the factory picked to build the Revolt right?
That made me LOL
good thing that factory is no longer in the picture...
good to see everyone knows their facts here