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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by ianjenn, Jan 2, 2015.
Looks like it is coming and it will have WAGON WHEELS........
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first canfield, now this. wtf is this world coming to?
... or 26" wheels with enough room for 2.4 tires.
Built correctly, 29ers can shred hard. Unless your like 5' tall, then no, you will look bad and you should feel bad.
That blood red frame though...
I'm not generally (ever) interested in 29'ers...but this I would like to take for a whirl.
Urban assault vehicle.
Just took my short arsed Canfield 29er for a commute ride, so much fun doing cutties and launching of tree roots and carving up and railing garden beds on the foot path. Short rear and 29ers are mad fun in the right context. Mines like a bat, once up to speed it feels like it gets planing and just flies along. Mine's only a hardtail, but with 100-150mm rear suspension it'd be more comfortable for hucking stairs and gaps..
For the small amount of use it gets I can't justify buying a 29er dually, and my hardtail with Pikes is a blast anyway, but I would encourage anyone to try the Evil or Canfield duallies(whatever has the shortest stays)if they do a fun urban commute regularly that isn't a million miles long. Mine sees 50-50 dirt-Footpath/road use.
clearly it's gonna need this: http://m.pinkbike.com/news/wtb-high-tail-seat-review-2015.html
Oh boy oh boy
16.8 in chain stays, 68.5-66.5*HA, 12.8-13.2 bb. 4500 as built. My goodness.
Empty beer is going to assplode. Also, interesting how a high single pivot packaged in a complicated linkage is now the best suspension evah.
Some more tidbits from a guy who supposedly rode one: Well, I got a very brief TH testride on a following proto last week- just pedaling around the dirt parking lot & such.
It felt great- more compact (shorter front & wheelbase) and less travel than my (m) Prime, but just as slack. The shorter front was the biggest difference I noticed. The rear also felt more active early in the stroke- less antisquat.
So, short wheelbase and short reach, less travel and a single pivot with less anti squat is the new modern?
The NINER WFO I have now has a very short reach its a LG and even with a 50-60mm stem seems short to me. But the bike rides very well.....
Its a much different feel compared to the Megatrail which I am more stretched out on and running a 35mm stem with.
Dude, a single pivot is freaking awesome. Especially one that doesn't use a linkage. You can tune it to work really well, with proper antisquat percentages and profiles/slopes. You can even get a nice rising rate or a flatter linear rate to work with an air shock.
The pivot location on this bike should guarantee great pedaling throughout travel, and the leverage rate of the uprising is pretty decent though not necessarily groundbreaking...this should follow suit. You don't need fancy patents to have a great riding bike...a single pivot acheives 90% of the performance with 25% of the complexity...you just have to do it right. The little rate modifier linkage notwithstanding, this is an awesome little package with competitive geometry that should keep pushing what 29ers can do forward.
Dude, my post was tongue in the cheek when I saw one of the dudes in the video mentioning axle path. I know what a SP can do - I had a SC Nickel and the APP was sweet with the exception of its awful pedal kickback.
Derp my bad. Yeah I had to laugh when he didn't know the axle path or whatever
67 HA is somewhat steep maybe that is why they where talking about frame including an Angleset in the video? I think I would run a -1 or -.05 for it depending....
steep for what? it's a big wheeled short-to-mid travel trailbike, not a dh or enderpro rig.
67 Ha on a 29er, when you hop on, the wheel is out there about as far as a DH bike. Pretty confidence inspiring, really.
The WFO I am on now has the same. The BB is lowish so being a bit slacker would be nice.
Not really anything new here apart from the fact that a 66.5 deg h-a on a 29 er is crazy slack...
I always find it funny when companies come out with new models and come up with "revolutionary" geo numbers, even though, other companies have been doing similar bikes for over two years... (probably hence why the following trends name)
And to people saying 29ers are not fun, they can be fun and really fast if done right
Well the $4500 MSRP on an X01 build is pretty insane add $2K to that for many other brands.....out there.
this is the best part about the bike. A sb5c frame is 3400.......!
The page is down, but earlier today the $4500 build was with X1, not X01. X01 build was about $2K more...
Yeah that is huge, if it makes it to market that way. X1, dropper, carbon frame, pike rct3, that's really solid. I do wonder if it'll make it without revisions.
It's not that there's anything new or revolutionary here, just that all the pieces are in place. A nice light frame, short stays which are crucial to handling, a great pivot location, a rising rate linkage, geometry that should work for a variety of situations. It's not crazy long in the top tube, but the large should work fine for me with a 50mm stem, the bb height is great, the stays are short enough that they won't be crazy long at sag, and the suspension is pretty dialed. I love my enduro but I don't need 6" of travel, I'd rather have a shorter bike. It's also a screaming deal if it's real. The only thing I don't like is the 7.25x1.75 shock, which is a weird size.
derp $4999 on the evil bikes website. Build kits are finally released.
Sandwich, I think you and I are kindred spirits. I saw you posted in the EmptyBeer thread about the following and you said you have a Krampus, that was going to be my next bike in addition to my current fleet until I saw the Following. I was planning on keeping my Process 111 for another year but now that the Following has come out I will absolutely be getting one.
Yeah man, definitely! I love the way these bikes ride, there's just something about them.
The krampus is just a completely silly bike. It's wheels are so big that you motor over anything, and the geometry is really pretty dialed; it takes after the geo of bikes like the honzo but turns it down a notch, which is pretty appropriate for a bike like the krampus. The volume on the tires has so much potential, but the knards are terrible. There are some better options now but it's like running semi slicks. I've considered getting rid of it because it rides a lot like the enduro on most of the trails I ride...long wheelbase, big frame, slack geometry, and not like a tight speedy hardtail, so it's tough for me to justify keeping both. Then the following came along and it's a shorter travel, lighter enduro with a great suspension design and what I thought was an affordable 11speed build kit. It's a little more expensive than anticipated, but I'll be keeping an eye on it. I'd rather have a 110-120mm trail bike then keep a 26" DH slugger on the off chance I get to ride at a resort.
Right there with you on my chromag surface.
not feeling 29, regardless of which prominent RM posters from 2002 were tangentially involved in this frame.
Looks to me like this bike has been in the works for years, and the market passed it by a while back since Evil were slow to get it produced.
Hella unhappy customers in the Pinkbike thread too. Why go there?
I'm the last person that thought i'd ever defend evil, but they've satisfied the warranty requests, they had some issues with the uprising which it sounds like they resolved, and people who actually own the bikes LOVE the bikes...it honestly sounds to me like they made an effort to turn the brand around and are putting substance before style.
As for 29ers, I think it's great to see more short travel, aggressive 29ers. There are those of us that think they're crazy fun...apparently Vital editors are part of that crowd. The timing actually sounds perfect...transition just released the smuggler a few months ago, and the banshee thing is new within the last six months. I'd much rather see this than another "also ran" 650b bike with exactly the same specs as everything else.
I see a 650b Mojo HDR in your future, Sandwich.
I'd probably go back to 26 before 650b again. I either want cadillac wheels or training wheels...tweeners are just...not exciting.
according to several people on PB, theyre still waiting on swingarms for the undead...and those who i know who waited on uprising swingarms, waiting a long time.
are uprising swingarms breaking?
That red looks pretty sweet.
This one can actually take a headset cup, not just the drop in bearings?
I hope that ends up on an uprising in the future. This campy setup on carbon frames idea sucks. I know this because I own one.
Did Evil make the 29er cool............again?