It would have been good to get out there with them but I've been up at the ski area on Sundays. We'll have to swap bikes for a lap the next time I see you on the trails.
Evil Revolt or Transition TR450! Help me out
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I find it funny that people bitch about bikes not being american made, yet i can guarantee that 75% of the items in their house arent american made and probably 50% of those items are american companies. irony.
Yeah that would be cool. See ya out there!
well this thread went to complete hell.
who cares if it is Asian or American, all of them are pretty damn good quality...the Asian goods go through heavy quality control when they get here anyway...they arent going to disolve when you hit dirt during the practice run at your sport class race.
Asia isnt some tribal society that is banging rocks together, the technology they are using is as good if not better than ours at a fraction of the cost. I dont blame companies for looking to them to source goods.
who cares if it is Asian or American, all of them are pretty damn good quality...the Asian goods go through heavy quality control when they get here anyway...they arent going to disolve when you hit dirt during the practice run at your sport class race.
Asia isnt some tribal society that is banging rocks together, the technology they are using is as good if not better than ours at a fraction of the cost. I dont blame companies for looking to them to source goods.
or 50% of the components they hang off the frame...
I'd say way more like 90% of the components!
And that's conservative.
yeah seriously i work for a company that sources about 90% out of Asia...and in a tough economy we are doing well.
Let's kick this up a notch. I saw a 2011 demo 8 being test on our local trails this weekend. Got to give it the old "parking lot hump" test. Felt really rampy. That's all I'll say. Discuss.
So if they can make a better product at a cheaper price than anyone else, why do people by anything else? (unless they're getting some kind of deal on the other bike obviously) No I mean this as a serious question, that bike is an insane deal. I really don't understand the allure of the $2500-3500 dollar frame that isn't any better than the cheaper alternatives.
Because the same bike doesn't work for everyone. I mean, that's a pretty ridiculous question.
Why doesn't everyone drive a Mazda 3?
Why doesn't everyone drive a Mazda 3?
I'd only consider the Mazda 3 if FTW welded it.
Would that make it lighter?
Oh give me a break, aside from us freakishly tall people, and freakishly short people like you, and the res of the e-badasses, most riders wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the glory and a yeti/951/revolt/whatever bike is the flavor of the month.Because the same bike doesn't work for everyone. I mean, that's a pretty ridiculous question.
Why doesn't everyone drive a Mazda 3?
Thats horse****. If you can't tell the difference between a Giant Glory and a Yeti (or any other dual link compared to a single pivot) then not only should you not be allowed down the hill, but you should probably be forced to wear a helmet at all times too.
The truth is people just like having fancy bikes. Most people can't ride to the level of their bikes anyways, so thats the clear answer.
The truth is people just like having fancy bikes. Most people can't ride to the level of their bikes anyways, so thats the clear answer.
Haha the BS never stops on this site!
Let me get this straight: ANY multi link bike of any shape or form is better than even the best single pivot?
Straight gold right there...
difference != better
Learn to read. I said its easy to feel the difference between a link bike and a single pivot.
Erm, that isn't what he said. I have many single pivots. I love them to death. But I can sure as hell tell a difference between one and a multi pivot bike. No more, no less. But there is a very obvious difference.
The difference is that you can get a multi link bike to feel just like a SP or vice versa.
Transcend: I've riden plenty of each as well and comparing them like that is a huge over simplification. To say every multi link bike regardless of design feels different than all SP bikes is just not true. I'm not arguing that one is better than the other, but lumping them together like that into two (and only two) distinct groups is a fallacy IMO.
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Calling BS on that.
I second that motion.
I'd be really impressed if you can make my 225 feel like a v10 or a 951.
That's the point though, just because this one bike doesn't feel like this other bike, doesn't mean an SP can't feel like a multi like bike.
It just means that that one bike doesn't feel like that other bike.
Kinematically speaking, many multi link bikes are very similar to some SP bikes.
There can be differences in braking and anti-squat that cannot be replicated without a floating brake or idler. However for just tracking the terrain and the feel of the bike, they can both be made to be very similar. This of course can be read to mean that all multi link bikes pedal and brake better than a similar SP, which is not true either. Demos for example pedal horribly on paper, and in real life. I sure hate pedaling mine.
It just means that that one bike doesn't feel like that other bike.
Kinematically speaking, many multi link bikes are very similar to some SP bikes.
There can be differences in braking and anti-squat that cannot be replicated without a floating brake or idler. However for just tracking the terrain and the feel of the bike, they can both be made to be very similar. This of course can be read to mean that all multi link bikes pedal and brake better than a similar SP, which is not true either. Demos for example pedal horribly on paper, and in real life. I sure hate pedaling mine.
that is a sig worthy quote, it is a no BS correct statement about us mountain bikers...we love gear, we love talking about it, and some of us actually like using it rather than arguing about it on the internet.
well put DM
No one's mentioned this before, but I think there's more bad than good in that. The revolt reeks of the final-gen sunday; most of the hardware on the bike is custom made, shock hardware is nonstandard (10mm), and very little hardware on the bike can be obtained off-the-shelf.
That means that even while evil is happily in business, people will have to depend on the manufacturer/distributor for virtually every part on the bike - which mightn't be an easy task, especially for people living outside of the US. When the bike gets superseded, more problems.
Often there are first-gen issues with completely custom hardware as well (some of which we've already seen reports of) because let's face it - mainstream stuff is mainstream because it works.
For the suspension geeks out there, it also means you can't run needle bearing shock hardware (like BOS and Enduro) - which I think is a shame, since it has become mainstream and reliable in recent times. The CCDB's spherical bearings won't work either.
Just my take on it. There are benefits to boring.
The evil comes with 5 or 6 sticker sheets. nana.
As an aside, almost unrelated, isn't that 10mm shock hardware supposed to be a standard or something? I'm out of the loop in Orange land. We just got cable guides.
Yeah custom hardware is a PITA. The Sunday was enough of a headache (M17 x 1.0 thread? - WTF?). The older Demo 8s used a custom bolt for no appreciable reason on the front shock shuttle mount. A mate of mine stripped one disassembling his bike, so we had to drill it out. The local Specialized rep wouldn't sell the single replacement bolt and quoted $180 for the Demo 8 bolt kit. Suffice to say, we drilled and tapped the mount to suit a normal off-the-shelf bolt instead.
The TR450 also uses bog stock 6902 and 6904 bearings with no crazy inner race sizing or little annoying spacers.
Damn. Buy that then. Actually my TR450 must have come with something like 40 individual stickers in a myriad of colours.
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Has anybody ridden a 2009 Commencal supreme dh and tr450? The pivot placement is looks the same height and the linkage looks almost the same but upside down? Do or would these ride and feel pretty much the same?
I think he was talking about having similar leverage curves not making completely different bikes made the same by some magical trick and in that case it is acievable to get most of the curves of the vpp bikes with a linkage actuated single pivot (with no linkage, I don't think so). Of course there will be other differances but it will make them feel quite similar.
really? mine didn't come with any...
well well. I guess I can go count the 7 stickers on each sheet, and multiple that by the 6 different sheets of color. Which gives me what, like 42 stickers.
Im just bummed my bike wont look so awesome sitting next to my aging Yamaha Banshee.
BTW, I think the TR450 is a fantastic bike in appearance and on paper, everyone who bought them seems fantastically happy. Which is all that honestly matters.
The white frames are "decal pack" style whereas the yellow and red frames are fully clearcoated.
I hear one of the sets is chrome. Could this be true?