ah well, hopefully we can get a brand whore or two to come in and set us straight.
Evil Undead
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- 2 months = 2 years 2 weeks =2 months baiters gonna bait buck me in the s buck the trend buck you! butthurt activate! consumerism could careless e-speculation! evil = blame the asians evil is evil evilhate=itsthenewblack expensive hobbies haters wanna hate hype machine rolling ih8rice wants new evil? its on the way new evil=no evil proto=2 yrs;production=?? suckers new evil≠old evil thetruth is dope trumpdoucheinvasion waiters gonna wait where is bradflyn
I found this on a pinkbike article:
I think there should be a few monkeys with warranty frames who can play the Guinea pig for us.
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For as much as I like my shockers (08,11) this is really nice and then i'll buy this with all the money I have...
funfacts:
many revolts broke
undead protoypes broke
Sure the frame looks good, but at least for me it's not the holy grail aesthetically and other manufacturers make great looking frames too and I can understand that some people are concerned about it's durability.
that's one of the points of making prototypes.... FMEA
My Revolt cracked on the main triangle; it had nothing to do with the linkages. I think mine was bad welding procedures, bad heat treat or both.
I think the linkage snapping issues stemmed from misalignment with the frames. The dog bone bolts were a single shear set-up; any frame misalignment would cause a bending stress on those bolts when the linkage cycled. Evil did come out with revised steel bolts with snap rings on the ends and new dog bone links. I put the revised bolts on mine and they're still intact. The double shear configuration is a much better design and I'm betting that the Undead frame will have better alignment that the Revolt.
I loved how my Revolt rode and I can't wait to get on an Undead. Rode a 2010 Flatline and a V10C last year and neither were as fun to ride or rode as well as the Revolt.
I think the linkage snapping issues stemmed from misalignment with the frames. The dog bone bolts were a single shear set-up; any frame misalignment would cause a bending stress on those bolts when the linkage cycled. Evil did come out with revised steel bolts with snap rings on the ends and new dog bone links. I put the revised bolts on mine and they're still intact. The double shear configuration is a much better design and I'm betting that the Undead frame will have better alignment that the Revolt.
I loved how my Revolt rode and I can't wait to get on an Undead. Rode a 2010 Flatline and a V10C last year and neither were as fun to ride or rode as well as the Revolt.
The only issues I had with my Revolt, and it was one of the last batches that where made, is that after a few bike-park rides there where some odd wear marks on a linkage bolt and on one of those fancy bushings, the wear was just on one spot which indicated the alignment was off (the coating on a bolt wore completely off in one spot showing something like copper inside btw). I tried to check for any misalignment but couldn't see anything, it was prolly too small to be noticed with anything I had in handy.
Also, right from the box, the brake caliper support on the frame was welded a bit twisted towards the inside, had to shave it a bit so that the caliper would sit straight on top of the break disk.
Also, right from the box, the brake caliper support on the frame was welded a bit twisted towards the inside, had to shave it a bit so that the caliper would sit straight on top of the break disk.
some random Undead shots i took in Valpo last sunday.... were taken in Polc`s pre-qualy bolt tightening session
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I am getting excited...
first bike in history yellow deemax's look good on.
What's up with that black shaft on Polc's shock?
You know some people like black shafts...
I'm pretty sure it's the standard anodized.... Not kashima...
It's just a light effect on the picture....
It's just a light effect on the picture....
Vintage M1
First off: Incredible looking frame.
Secondly: Anyone who immediately plunks down there hard earned cash for this thing without it being proven by the "masses" in the real world is insane. And by masses and real world I don't mean the 3-5 people on here who have hook-ups with ownership.
Sorry but the insta-hype on this thing is nuts considering their history. I hope Evil proves me wrong. I really honestly do.
Secondly: Anyone who immediately plunks down there hard earned cash for this thing without it being proven by the "masses" in the real world is insane. And by masses and real world I don't mean the 3-5 people on here who have hook-ups with ownership.
Sorry but the insta-hype on this thing is nuts considering their history. I hope Evil proves me wrong. I really honestly do.
^ Evil could have easily closed their doors and reopened under a new name, alleviating your mind set in the process.
Sticking it out and trying things again shows more dedication than I have even seen in the industry.
Sticking it out and trying things again shows more dedication than I have even seen in the industry.
No. Part of the reason Evil got as much hype as they did WAS the name. The RETURN OF EVIL and all that. Marketing 101. That dedication you speak of was just the smartest long term business decision they could have made.
Besides, rename all you want but if Evil bailed and started under a new name, wouldn't be long before the word got out and people passed. They were smart to do what they did.
knew that was coming
I still don get where you are coming from with this...most people would have shut the doors. This is a pretty stand up move, how can you possibly be negative about it?
They dealt with a sh1t situation in the best way possible.
Any bike company, regardless of its history, that is producing a full carbon dh frame with current geometry and has a world cup presence will get "hyped".
This is my first time chiming in through these 45 pages, I don't have a preference either way. It looks like a great bike.
This is my first time chiming in through these 45 pages, I don't have a preference either way. It looks like a great bike.
copper plating is part of the chroming process, so that might have been what you were seeing.
Yeah like kids on pinkbike didn't want a Karpiel and remembered that, even though it was the same guy and the same company. Most people care much less than we on rm.
And you are the guy that complains about Intense CS.
i'll leave this alone, you obviously just dont get it.And you are the guy that complains about Intense CS.
Im not being negative about this, you misunderstood.
First, if EVIL does come through with their replacement plan, its just the right thing to do. While they do deserve props for coming through, its also what they SHOULD do, so....
Second, the EVIL name is a huge thing. Shutting the doors and renaming would give up a strong brand image, which would be stupid. SHutting down would also forever tarnish Kevins name, which undoubtedly somebody would point out when the new brand opened.
So while people are sitting around patting Kevin on the back for replacing screwed up frames, really its a) the right thing to do and b) the most sensible move for the brand long term. It shows they aren't just chumps, that the are serious about the brand and are trying to take care of customers because they intended for the brand to survive long term.
While the replacement plan may have been out of good intentions, its also pretty much the only smart choice they had.
OK, so what part didn't I get?
First there was a pretty expensive frame from a new "old" company that a lot of industry insiders hyped in the media. It was, of course, better than anything else out there because DW was involved. It could only be produced in Taiwan because only there they can make such complicated structures in such high quality. And the final product was only insignificantly (what, like $300?) more expensive than a domestically produced frame.
People jumped on the hype and bought the frame.
Frames had all kind of issues.
Warranty replacement was promised but never delivered.
For ??? years nothing was heard from the company.
Suddenly they showed pics of zhe carbonz protos and started the hype machine again.
People believe the hype again and wait in line to throw their money at an unproven design.
So what part of the story didn't I get right?
The ONLY credible thing that Evil could have done when the warranty cases poured in and they didn't have anything to replace it with, would have been to refund the purchase price. Then go back and develop a fancy carbon frame and if it works give the former Revolt owners first dips of buying it. '
But hey, they didn't have to. People want to get screwed over.
having fun? - moving along. Bike looks great, looking fwd to hearing more release information...
Yeah well, truth hurts right?
Anyways, guess we see what happens from here on...
skepticism is not hate
Actually something else I was thinking about, does anyone have any information about the shock reducer hardware this uses? I think the Revolt used the 10mm hardware which (and I know they're not for everyone) is a little annoying if you want to run needle or spherical bearings on a shock eyelet.
I know on the Sunday (also 10mm) you could fairly easily set up some spacers to allow the use of 8mm reducer hardware on the top mount (the higher rotation one, lower one is better with bushings) which was nice, but the Evils seem to have the link threaded for the bolt which might make it hard to even run a custom solution.
Would be nice to have the flexibility.
I know on the Sunday (also 10mm) you could fairly easily set up some spacers to allow the use of 8mm reducer hardware on the top mount (the higher rotation one, lower one is better with bushings) which was nice, but the Evils seem to have the link threaded for the bolt which might make it hard to even run a custom solution.
Would be nice to have the flexibility.
Yup guilty. I have respect for Kevin and the company he is trying to make succeed.
I guess if having faith in the little guy. And wanting a small business to be successful rather than go out of business makes me a brand whore than so be it. I will accept the title anyday.
I guess the cool thing for the Internet nerds these das is to hate on everything and always find something to complain about... Like being able to run custom needle bearings in place of DU bushings or not.
Awesome bike, awesome company... Haters will hate no matter what, and most of them will still clog up the trails as the bobble along on their bikes even after they spent hours improving their skills on the Internet.
Since when "can I get some info about the bike because one feature may be a little annoying" considered hating? RM fanboys get really oversensitive lately. It got to a point you can't criticize one single feature on a product without being labeled a hater. This thread has been mostly positive and all the people with Kevin all the best.