Does that even matter? It's only two weeks guys!
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- 2 months = 2 years 2 weeks =2 months baiters gonna bait buck me in the s buck the trend buck you! butthurt activate! consumerism could careless e-speculation! evil = blame the asians evil is evil evilhate=itsthenewblack expensive hobbies haters wanna hate hype machine rolling ih8rice wants new evil? its on the way new evil=no evil proto=2 yrs;production=?? suckers new evil≠old evil thetruth is dope trumpdoucheinvasion waiters gonna wait where is bradflyn
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Perhaps not everyone but you'd be surprised what you can get. We're all learning about this because it's posted online. A lot of sweet stuff isn't.
Plus in todays world of manufacturing, do prototypes even really exist anymore for the most part? Obviously there are one offs and very early basic designs, but it seems that what is often labeled as a prototype is just an example of a finished product before it is produced on a massive scale.
If there are really only a couple of those frames out there, do you think the guy(s) at Evil would be blind enough to just let Zink walk away with it if his contract said otherwise?
At least the guy states that the frame isn't the one from that commercial with the huge ass backflip. Whoever buys that frame is special haha
If there are really only a couple of those frames out there, do you think the guy(s) at Evil would be blind enough to just let Zink walk away with it if his contract said otherwise?
At least the guy states that the frame isn't the one from that commercial with the huge ass backflip. Whoever buys that frame is special haha
not having protos to test will end in the same way the revolt did. bad
they still exist, and massive corporations usually have somebody who manages who gets what kind of proto for what kind of uses... i should have known we always had to beg for some time with the prototypes at my last job...
I've got more prototypes than I know what to do with right nowthey still exist, and massive corporations usually have somebody who manages who gets what kind of proto for what kind of uses... i should have known we always had to beg for some time with the prototypes at my last job...
Just sell them on Pinkbike.I've got more prototypes than I know what to do with right now
to my knowledge the proto revolts had none of the production issues (and there were many) mostly due to the small numbers and good Quality Control.
it was when they switched to mass production things went pear shaped!!!!
Yup. There will be always situations that could not be foreseen by the engineers. For the bike industry I'd still say it's the most important part of rooting out durability issues if done properly.
Reliability Growth Testing is where it's at, and for that you'll be wanting a full-sized prototype
I like what Banshee does. Make a run of preproduction frames but sells them to Joey JustRidin'Along and he rides it like 90% of riders are going to do. Puts it away dirty, takes sh!tty lines, rides till the bearings fall out. It's one thing to make proto's and have the best riders in the world test them it's another to make proto's and have a bunch of weekend hack's testing them.
Not that I'm really adding any value to the thread, just talking.
Yup. That's what made me buy my Legend and what makes it very tempting to get a Prime.
I think you guys are reading way too much in that secret prototype-thing. It's just a bicycle not a f1 car.
And then most of you ain't even working in the bike industry so how would you know if they care about it? Obviously not.
And then most of you ain't even working in the bike industry so how would you know if they care about it? Obviously not.
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I happen to know from talking with kevin he does care, and lets consider for a second that said rider sells proto frame to someone. Frame somehow breaks horribly. Consumer has quite a potential lawsuit on his hands. Selling the proto has different implications beyond just being a secret bike, theres a certain liability factor involved.
Well if he hasn't made a contract with zink about not selling the frames he recieved through the sponsorship he's free to do with them what they want. Other riders did and do this too so I wonder why everyone get's so excited about this.
Thousands of frames and components break and people get hurt but I never heard anything about lawsuits against bike companies.
Thousands of frames and components break and people get hurt but I never heard anything about lawsuits against bike companies.
The arguments are so fierce because the stakes are so low
Tabletop84, let me clue you in.
This is page 29, and at this stage of the thread's development, Evil & Kevin are cool again and Cam Zink is not cool, regardless of what he is doing or selling. I'm not 100% sure, but he may even be a considered a freerider.
This is page 29, and at this stage of the thread's development, Evil & Kevin are cool again and Cam Zink is not cool, regardless of what he is doing or selling. I'm not 100% sure, but he may even be a considered a freerider.
Have any of you considered that cam's a dick and has screwed over/pissed off multiple previous employers? It's one thing for Lindsay vonn to sell a pair of skis that she's used up and has 300x a year of...it's another for a douchey sponsored pro to sell one of what, 3 carbon evils in existence. It's not hard to believe that maybe he just doesn't give a **** what the contract said or whether there was a clause at all. In a year he'll be with an even smaller sponsor anyways, and then he'll be in jail/washed up.
I had not, is that fact or E-spec? I think it's funny that so many people care so much. I think it's crazy that anyone who has seen pictures of Cam Zink riding would consider buying anything from him that was not NIB. "Ridden Lightly" by him is probably like 3 seasons of riding every day by me.
That's a used bike, from a pro who is not really known for being light on gear, not under warranty by Evil. If there is liability american law is plan stupid. Using this logic if I buy a beat up frame from a pro, non proto and it cracks I can sue the company? Come on.
@Sandwich from what I hear Cam is not really a douche, he just isn't very good at following the rules. Written or not.
if it was a karpiel, nobody would care. i don't see much difference in business practice between the two...
at the end of the day, an empty promise is still an empty promise...
at the end of the day, an empty promise is still an empty promise...
Sorry but then you are stupid. Kevin did not pack his bags and ran leaving clients with no frames. It takes long but from what it seems he tries to make it right.
For the most part, yes. The notion of personal responsibility often disappears as soon as you can blame someone else for not forseeing your stupidity and planning against it.
Case in point: I almost had to sit on a jury for a lawsuit filed by a kid who was riding (trespassing) down the open slope grass trails of a private, closed, never-open-for-biking ski area. He hit a pipe and blew out his knee. he was suing the ski area for negligence in leaving the pipe out where it could hurt someone. Forget that the case actually made it to court in the first place; he very well may have won.
tell that to the people still waiting over 2 years for a frame. until frames actually hit the masses, your point has no merit...
The Evils may have had defects, but at least they were heat-treated defects
Actually your point has no merit. The frames did arrive, were rideable although some of them were faulty. Yes until the frame arrive we can't say it's all ok but I doubt Kevin is working just to give us a reason to talk on ridemonkey and not to release the frame. The main differance here is intentions. Comparing Evil to Karpiel is dangerously close to calling him a thief and a scammer. Though I guess it's easy to throw accusations on the internet.
Jan Karpiel cut the course in 1990
well, i wasn't trying to make that comparison. it was more about a major player in the game falling from grace...
Than compare them to someone like Sunn. Karpiel is one of the two worst examples I can think of (the other being lahar)
I'm pretty entertained that some of you are mad about him selling a bike.
The guys at Evil should be happy that someone in the public will finally be able to ride their hype-machine and tell us all unbiasedly (cause spending thousands of dollars isn't gonna influence you) how amazing this frame is.
The guys at Evil should be happy that someone in the public will finally be able to ride their hype-machine and tell us all unbiasedly (cause spending thousands of dollars isn't gonna influence you) how amazing this frame is.
Yeah. People never rationalize their stupid spendings
Last time I mentioned lahar negatively someone in Australia wanted to fight me.
don't feel special, they want to fight everyone
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yeah i dissed lahar and got some naaaaaaaaaaaaaasty words in my inbox. dick.
yeah i dissed lahar and got some naaaaaaaaaaaaaasty words in my inbox. dick.