and what will happen in the interim for those people still waiting? if this is only a first-gen proto, the production model isnt happening anytime soon.
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- 2 months = 2 years 2 weeks =2 months baiters gonna bait buck me in the s buck the trend buck you! butthurt activate! consumerism could careless e-speculation! evil = blame the asians evil is evil evilhate=itsthenewblack expensive hobbies haters wanna hate hype machine rolling ih8rice wants new evil? its on the way new evil=no evil proto=2 yrs;production=?? suckers new evil≠old evil thetruth is dope trumpdoucheinvasion waiters gonna wait where is bradflyn
i noticed that too. i was gonna let it slide unnoticedFreudian slip??? I smell another carbon evil...
Or clever marketingFreudian slip??? I smell another carbon evil...
Or maybe Kevin already said on PB that "this will be the first of many full suspension carbon offerings over the coming months."Or clever marketing
Jeez, I even threw a smiley face in there. I think you need to re-calibrate your sarcasm meter
Freudian slip??? I smell another carbon evil...
Ooops, my bad, nope just a screw up on my part, I will ammend!
Believe me we are not that clever, and I use "we" knowing full well that I had nothing to do with this release..Or clever marketing
Hey count up the dw-link and Split Pivot full page ads in a moutain bike magazine, then count the ones for any other design. Marketing my a$$.. hah
I rode a Session for a bit when my Revolt died with no replacement. It looked like a stupid billboard with all the marketing dept names for every little part plastered all over the frame.Believe me we are not that clever, and I use "we" knowing full well that I had nothing to do with this release..
Hey count up the dw-link and Split Pivot full page ads in a moutain bike magazine, then count the ones for any other design. Marketing my a$$.. hah
hey Mr. D.W.
quick question for you if you'd be so kind?
-the removable ISCG 05 mount on the new Evil
did this come about from your involvement with the Devinci SP projects?
as I heard from a source at Devinci that you thought their removeable (keyed spline) ISCG mount (which they've had for years) was a pretty smart idea and you were surprised other manufacturers had not used such a system?
personally I think its great so you can:
run with / without ISCG chain device
replace damaged mounts (example a big rock strike on a taco-style chain device)
or even swap the plate between ISCG OLD and 05 if you already own a ISCG chain device and are buying a new frame and don't wanna pony up for a new device or backplate?
quick question for you if you'd be so kind?
-the removable ISCG 05 mount on the new Evil
did this come about from your involvement with the Devinci SP projects?
as I heard from a source at Devinci that you thought their removeable (keyed spline) ISCG mount (which they've had for years) was a pretty smart idea and you were surprised other manufacturers had not used such a system?
personally I think its great so you can:
run with / without ISCG chain device
replace damaged mounts (example a big rock strike on a taco-style chain device)
or even swap the plate between ISCG OLD and 05 if you already own a ISCG chain device and are buying a new frame and don't wanna pony up for a new device or backplate?
when would you use a DH bike without a chain device?
Erick Auger helped Devinci design that removable ISCG mount years ago, and yes, it's pretty damn slick.
You know its funny, I talk to Erick Auger all the time, almost every other day. (He's the engineer who designed the splined ISCG mount back in 2004 or so) I remember exactly where I was when he showed me his first sketches, I had almost the identical sketches in my notebook, which I shared right back, we shared a laugh about it just a couple days ago actually. So yeah, I think it's an awesome idea and I can't believe that more companies haven't followed Devinci's and Erick's lead on that. The design works great!
When I owned e.thirteen I also lobbied for a few companies to let me build a splined on guide to fit their bikes but nobody ever bit. I thought that Specialized was going to go for it circa 2005 but it just never panned out with them. Later on they introduced a splined mount on the Enduro so at least they were listening to some of my ramblings.
Dave
Beat me to it! Congrats on your new job at Yeti, just heard about that!
I know one guy who claims you dont need a chain guide for any type of riding but calling him a moron would be an understatement. Still the mount being replacable is nice.
I still can't work out how the company is still going, to have that much trouble with your first venture into DH would surely bankrupt any re-emerging company.
Also with the 300+ frames that are made way outside acceptable tolerances is Evil expected to pay for them even tough they are useless?
Also with the 300+ frames that are made way outside acceptable tolerances is Evil expected to pay for them even tough they are useless?
After all of the trouble with farming the job out to the asian pacific, would it not have been cheaper now to have an american frame builder manufacture them?
DW did you consult with Bradflyn about the specifics of the redesign?
how many american carbon frame maker are out there?
Usually that isn't how it goes, the company I worked for who was sourcing in Southern China was running into quality issues constantly, we withheld payment for the bad goods when that happened. Depends if they paid up front and what the delivery terms were on the sale...
hey EVIL if you guys are listening I vote moving production to Scandinavia...I hear these guys know a good weave when they see one.
http://www.koenigsegg.com/
http://www.koenigsegg.com/
and then the people complain about high prices again...
not to use without chain device, but to be able to remove the ISCG mount for when you own an older bottom-bracket mounted chain device? (many ISCG mounts will prevent this style being used)
and don't want to buy another chain device, or an additional back plate for it (if its even available..) just to get your bike running
my 2011 Devinci Dixon SP does not have ISCG mounts and I could not get the Blackspire ISCG stinger or E13 DRS ISCG setup right with the E13 ISCG adapter plate as it pushes the backplate too far out
the Blackspire bottom bracket mounted Stinger was perfect for this application, otherwise I'd have to face 2mm off the driveside shell to use the ISCG adapter, which I was not keen to do on a brand new GBP£1700 frame
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The cost of clean up in the STATES is giant. That is a pretty limiting factor. If they found a cleaner way of production cost would fall for sure.and then the people complain about high prices again...
thanks for the reply
the bottom bracket shell seems pretty substantial on the Devinci, with the splined mounting requiring a decent wall thickness to the shell
is the system engineered so that the removeable mount itself would bend (i.e. a bending 'fuse') on a huge Taco-style impact (I ask because I have never seen one bent on a Devinci) rather than any damage occuring to the splines or bottom bracket shell?
the welded ISCG mounts always seem kinda fragile, is this why a number of companies strictly won't offer warranty if using Taco style chain devices?
been riding the Devinci removable ISCG mounts since the beginning. i've had both the the tabs and guide fail on huge impacts. either way, at least my frame wasn't damaged. on another occasion the threads stripped on the guide. was i ever happy i could simply replace the mount. what a wicked system for that reason alone.
Check this out!
Made in America: Small Businesses Buck the Offshoring Trend
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/ff_madeinamerica/
Made in America: Small Businesses Buck the Offshoring Trend
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/ff_madeinamerica/
meanwhile, in germany
sorry you have to look up the statistics regarding this, about the same amount of companies which are leaving are coming back to germany it's rather funnymeanwhile, in germany
have a look at the figures the BDI and your local IHK are publishing
u misunderstood me completly, was more directed in the way that most small firms never left in the first place, resulting in our big export plus...
33.6lbs of silliness
Droooool
Rice is that yours? And hence confirming warranty frames are being shipped and hence confirming I may actually get to see one in person soon????
Rice is that yours? And hence confirming warranty frames are being shipped and hence confirming I may actually get to see one in person soon????
cam zink's bike
definitely not mine. its Cam Zink's.
i sold my mess a while ago thankfully
they are still testing them as far as i know which means more waiting
nuts isnt it. my trail bike is going to be a bit less then this bike.