Doesn't sound very healthy. Have you considered an outside hobby?
Examples of bad trail building
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yoga pants
pony tail
shakeweight (just for danger)
Ugh, leaving cut off tree trunks is terrible. If you are going to remove it, dig out the stump so no one notices. Around here we have some random trail users (not affiliated with the local trail orgs) who do shit like that too, ranging from leaving a 3in high stump on the edge of the trail to catch your pedal to a 2ft tall broken off sapling. That filter thing is also pretty special, I've definitely never seen anything like that before. What about the trail is so advanced that it requires a filter of that complexity?Look who's back with a new trail.
They built this odd filter thing at the start. I doubt there are any rocks like that on the trail (I didn't ride it). One slip on that rounded rock and someone will have some happy ribs or thigh bruise from that fence thing.
Note the curated trash placement.
The most prevalent examples of bad trail building that I have been seeing a lot of on the internet recently is using deadfall / sticks / logs of whatever wood is near by to support the lower edge of a bench cut, or the back of a berm. What happens in a few years when it all rots out and those edges collapse? Shit like this:
lol, that's idiotic. The cleared tread should be about 2x the intended tread (as far as dirt moved). All veg and organic soil should be clear to avoid rotting out and causing erosion. That's just lazy work.
I disagree, that almost never works, and definitely not on cross slope / contour line trails. It might be a good way to identify the best line, but going back and bench cutting is needed if the trail gets any substantial amount of use. I say this as someone who has spent a significant amount of time fixing trails that were "built" that way.
Depends on how much traffic and what type of soil I guess. We had here a phenomenal trail (that got sanitized 3-4 years ago) which was build just by riding it in. The top soil was ridden away, roots and the harder, lower layers held it together really well and prevented erosion. Now after sanitization, which included bench cutting, root removal and berm building, the trail is an erosion nightmare. The new builders did not anticipate this "because it never needed maintenance". Yeah, but you fucked it up!
Now their solution is to put gravel on it.
There's a trail building company in Rotorua that come down to Wellington occasionally.Depends on how much traffic and what type of soil I guess. We had here a phenomenal trail (that got sanitized 3-4 years ago) which was build just by riding it in. The top soil was ridden away, roots and the harder, lower layers held it together really well and prevented erosion. Now after sanitization, which included bench cutting, root removal and berm building, the trail is an erosion nightmare. The new builders did not anticipate this "because it never needed maintenance". Yeah, but you fucked it up!
Now their solution is to put gravel on it.
Aaand fuck it up almost every time, as they can't work with our terrain and soil types.
In Roto they just need to kick a couple of Punga ferns over, give it a rake and their done.
Welly is a totally different story due to the dirt and terrain.
Agreeing with most all of the above, except for the log wall for berms. I always prefer to dig the actual berm in the soil rather than adding material to build it out. But I've done log "framed" berms before. Some are more than 10 years old and the wood is still intact. I always use hardwood like beech. I cover the back structure of the berm with the removed top layer of soil and cover the berm side with at least a foot of organic dirt that is compacted. Usually those berms are good for 3-4 years before needing a tune/repack. Since the wood structure is mostly burried, it barely rots.
keep in mind when most people use that word these days, they're talking about their grant funding and nothing else
I'm choosing to believe those photos are organized backwards and the progress really goes from bottom right to top left.
As does Italy (#Gardasee).
It was kind of a joke, because isn't Austria a very anti-bike on public trails type of place?
Err... I dunno. That would be a shame, since the Austrian Alps are such a great place...
Exactly what the beaver wanted?You might think this is the after effects of a flood or something. Nope, this is on a steep hill and on the other side of this pile of shit is a turn.
What's going to happen when this gives way?
Wait that pile of sticks is the backside of a berm? Holy shit. Is that at local trails or a bike park?You might think this is the after effects of a flood or something. Nope, this is on a steep hill and on the other side of this pile of shit is a turn.
What's going to happen when this gives way?
Using forest wood to build dirt features is a hard no. And at a pay to ride bike park? Fuck no.The local bike park is filled with this shit. One of the reasons I no longer buy a seasons pass.
@mykel
Backside?
LOLOL no, it's the side you ride on.
There is another trail that has a set of 4 or 5 logs down in the dirt, perpendicular to the trail. Picture whoops, but instead of dirt you just wail over logs at speed.
But yeah, this stuff is why two of us from our group stop paying to ride there.
Its not a wet spot, its the end of a berm, so you are transitioning from banked to flat while riding those logs. You know, its the perfect recipe for ending up on your ass when your wheels slide out on the wet polished logs.
The ground is very sandy so wet spots isn't a concern.
The ground is very sandy so wet spots isn't a concern.
I swear I'm not a complainer..... 
But the local club is at it again, this time changing an already existing and we'll established trail.
Check out this shit. Green line is the original trail, red is the new one they cut in......3 feet to the side, why? And if you zoom in, you can see the totally unsupported and loose bench cut fill they left on the down slope. I rode the original line, of course.
And now on this new one, if you're blasting down this hill, you'll have this tree right where your head will be as you make the slight corner.
Then further down the trail, they cut in this new corner....2 feet off the original corner....wtf? Are they trying to make a 10 foot wide trail?
They also put in a few berms in another spot, but it's like they just stacked dirt and made no effort to smooth it out.
It makes me wonder if some of thrse people even ride what they work on...
But the local club is at it again, this time changing an already existing and we'll established trail.
Check out this shit. Green line is the original trail, red is the new one they cut in......3 feet to the side, why? And if you zoom in, you can see the totally unsupported and loose bench cut fill they left on the down slope. I rode the original line, of course.
And now on this new one, if you're blasting down this hill, you'll have this tree right where your head will be as you make the slight corner.
Then further down the trail, they cut in this new corner....2 feet off the original corner....wtf? Are they trying to make a 10 foot wide trail?
They also put in a few berms in another spot, but it's like they just stacked dirt and made no effort to smooth it out.
It makes me wonder if some of thrse people even ride what they work on...
Lady on a cheater line yesterday: "why is this log here?"
Me: "Because that's not the trail".
Dipshit just looking down and following the easiest line, which avoids the roots and goes around a tree. Some douches have widened the trail here and I explained that it causes erosion and widening of the trail. It was satisfying to catch one of those "rider arounders" in the act though.
Me: "Because that's not the trail".
Dipshit just looking down and following the easiest line, which avoids the roots and goes around a tree. Some douches have widened the trail here and I explained that it causes erosion and widening of the trail. It was satisfying to catch one of those "rider arounders" in the act though.
