well most vegetarians, profess that their diet is kinder to animals and better for the environment, huge maketing scam.....
Yeah big difference... vegas wont do milk or cheese. Regular vegetarians will.
see posts #2, #5, #8. Also, never heard a vegetarian claim that their diet is "better for the environment".well most vegetarians, profess that their diet is kinder to animals and better for the environment, huge maketing scam.....
But here they are eating a animal by product from a grain fed methane creating cow, that as soon as its milk production drops off will get turned into hamburger and leather clothes
make the yogurt out of Soy Milk and I will buy the "Vegetarian" label
I live in hippy hell, Santa Cruz County, I here this drivel all the time from the leather shoe wearing vegetarian set [who by the way all look sickly]see posts #2, #5, #8. Also, never heard a vegetarian claim that their diet is "better for the environment".
Vegetarian = no meat / parts from a dead animal. So milk is OK, gelatin is not.
vegan = nothing from an animal period.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
come to Santa Cruz, the parking lot is full of old VW Vans and people wearing sandals and tie dye with dreadlocksAnd what hippies shop at Costco?
Those aren't customers. They are residents (vagrants) of this fine neighborhood.come to Santa Cruz, the parking lot is full of old VW Vans and people wearing sandals and tie dye with dreadlocks
yea this thread is full of fail, considering your complete lack of knowledge of what your slamming.
Actually I was a vegetarian for six years back in the 80's so I do understand...and it is bull****yea this thread is full of fail, considering your complete lack of knowledge of what your slamming.
Have fun with your dogs $hitting all over your carpet
They want to smell bad from both ends?
Not really getting what could be bull**** about it since there are all sorts of reasons why people choose to be vegan or vegetarian. And I'm not sure how you could really show that a vegetarian diet isn't any better for the environment on the whole since it uses less land and energy, kills less animals, requires less animals and all that..... I'm not a vegetarian and I deal with lots of nutters who have some crazy ideas about health and diet, but you sound more "holier than thou" than any vegetarian I've talked to.
It's less clear than that. Vegetarians get their calories from somewhere, and if you eliminate animals you replace those calories with other stuff, stuff that requires energy to produce, transport, etc. Sure, you kill less animals, but it's not the bonus for environment it might appear. I've even read that since meat packs a lot of calories, in some ways it's better.
So.... you were a vegetarian that avoided any animal product like milk, eggs, etc? I'm still finding it hard to figure out what your original post is about, since vegetarian yogurt made from milk is a-ok by any vegetarian I know of. Just admit you F'd up and mistook vegetarian for vegan...
I know it's not simple. But meat takes more energy to produce than plants by weight, calorie or whatever else. And, yes, massive feedlots and monoculture are not good. But they are necessary to accomodate people's desire for meat. Less meat probably means less of those horrible things. It's not simple, but it makes no sense to suggest that because it's complex, your choices don't really matter.
QFMFT!
Every time you start your 400+hp Audi, a cow in Candler gets asthma.
My car is actually surprisingly fuel efficient for being fast. Audi emissions are actually pretty good too from what I've read (can't say I know a ton about that).
Nice caveat.
Fine then...your International kills baby hens.
