just change the slogan to "What can brown do for the country"clancy98 said:
Explosion in London
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Oh man, thanks for pointing out just how completely screwed the world is. Ugggg!Ridemonkey said:
They do terrorise their own governments to some extent don't they? The taliban took over Afganistan (with our help even). That worked out really well. I think al qaeda attacks the Saudi royals on occasion too.
The entire worlds social system needs to change I guess. I just don't see it happening. The best we can do is try to hold on I guess.
Good God, what makes you think we have?TN said:
On my drive across the country I saw numerous vehicles and billboards proclaming that I would burn in the fires of Hell if I didn't accept Jesus as my savior.
Hell - you live in TN. Do you mean to tell me that your neck of the woods has become "enlightened" WRT religion?
I think you can thank the current state of American right-wing fundamentalism on the liberal fundamentalists.
50? How about we say more like 500............N8 said:
Westy said:
Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.
No, certainly no fight, but a respectful debate.jdschall said:
I certainly agree that wanting better for the less fortunate is a wonderful goal, however, not to the point of obsession. These nut jobs dont care about 3 squares a day, cable and an attorney, as to them this is a holy war. Killing innocent victims, on purpose, does not justify any political or democratic freedoms they may have if caught. These cowards are religious zealots, plain and simple, they posture themselves this way because they simply hate. War is war. Its as simple as that. No one likes it, no one wants it, but in our society, and throughout human history, this has been mankinds behavior. What is the alternative? The inquisition is another example of mans greed and personal agenda, hidden behind the guise of religion.
This war everyone is complaining about is taking considerably less lives then the dictatorship that was in place.
I wonder if some people realize this war is to actually help the less fortunate.Bottom line, it is an absolute travesty that occurred in England, and the perpetrators should be caught and hung. Liberal, moderate or conservative, we can all agree that the4 purposeful taking of innocent lives is just plain wrong.
peace
ROFLMAO!!!!stinkyboy said:
so will the UK now join in on the "war against terrorism"? it's been so successful so far, and i'm sure it will get easier as time goes on.SkaredShtles said:N8s right, as frightening as that sounds.
This will probably go a *long* way to changing British public opinion on a number of fronts.
The Brits, despite their bad teeth and short stature, are a feisty lot when provoked.
narlus said:so will the UK now join in on the "war against terrorism"? it's been so successful so far, and i'm sure it will get easier as time goes on.
I think it's safe to say that the "GWOT*" has prevented numerous attacks such as these...
*Global War On Terrorism
References?N8 said:
All I know of is the Y2K pre GWOT profusely sweating terrorist nab and the dude from Chicago who wanted to build a dirty bomb. I'm sure there have been more.
Yup. Israel has been battling since the day they *stole* all that land from the Palestinians - with the rest of the West's blessing, I might add.N8 said:
Of course, the Palestinians had stolen the land from the Jews many years earlier.......
You get the idea. The history of this conflict is older than the hills.
N8 said:
do you honestly believe that? tell me what sort of security measures would be needed to prevent another bombing of a tube station or bus? add in a suicide bomber to mix, if you must.
it's nigh bloody (pardon the bad choice of words) impossible.
Westy said:
Not something any of us are going to know any time soon... perhaps in 20-30 years...
Although still unresolved the only time things have been successful for either side is when they tried not killing each other. Exchanges of retaliation have done little to further either sides standing.SkaredShtles said:
narlus said:
This morning NPR reported that Scotland Yard arrested a hand full of people last year who were planning a similar attack.
I'm pretty sure they've been on board the war for awhile now.narlus said:so will the UK now join in on the "war against terrorism"? it's been so successful so far, and i'm sure it will get easier as time goes on.
I'm afraid that there's no "winning" a war against terrorists - it ain't the type of war that is even winnable, IMO.
Stole??? You mean were 'given' by the Brits as a result of WWII. They captured the rest when they were attacked by their neighbors.SkaredShtles said:
But we can't just say that all muslims are Anti-American terrorists wanting to die detinating a bomb somewhere... its just an extremist group of people. To quote the guy on 30Days when they did the muslim episode "You can't blame over a billion people on the actions of 5"Ridemonkey said:
Yeah for the most part what I've read in this thread has actually been pretty mature and thoughtful / thought provoking. I'm impressed.sirknight6 said:
Yeah but why did these zealots declare war in the first place and why have they gathered so many supporters? That's my question. A question I think could be answered by looking at the social pressures that exist or existed in the past.
I have to agree with you here. Unforunately I feel that it was the sin of the father (not finishing what he had started in 1991), and not the son, that really screwed us in our current efforts and liberating the Iraqi peoples. Poor boy is just playing the hand he was dealt.This war everyone is complaining about is taking considerably less lives then the dictatorship that was in place.
Bottom line, it is an absolute travesty that occurred in England, and the perpetrators should be caught and hung. Liberal, moderate or conservative, we can all agree that the4 purposeful taking of innocent lives is just plain wrong.
peace
Amen!
narlus said:
This is a war that can't be "won" until civilization catches up with the combatants..... <sigh>
History has taught us that the only way for peoples of differing ideologies to get along is to simply get along. To respect one another's opinion and agree to disagree.Westy said:
And once they've gotten to that point, don't talk about it anymore.
SkaredShtles said:
This is a war that can't be "won" until civilization catches up with the combatants..... <sigh>
Our next major concern will be a modern and very well armed China...
Given/stolen = semantics.N8 said:
Ask any Palestinian - they'll let you know that the Israelis stole the land in '47. With the blessing of the West.
That's because none of us are fundamentalists. Sadly, the vast majority of the human population are reasonable people - but the fundamentalists are the ones that cause the problems.jdschall said:
"I think we just have to go on about our business," said Richard Bomar, a tourist from Louisville, Kentucky. "I'm just not afraid. I'm not going to let it affect me."
Taxi driver Steve Green said that despite the carnage, "people are getting on with it. It's marvelous that they're showing their backbone."
"The thing is, with us Londoners, we're used to the IRA. We don't know anything else. You don't like it, but you learn to deal with it."
Taxi driver Steve Green said that despite the carnage, "people are getting on with it. It's marvelous that they're showing their backbone."
"The thing is, with us Londoners, we're used to the IRA. We don't know anything else. You don't like it, but you learn to deal with it."
well that's good news. it would be GREAT news if there were only a "hand full" of extremists out there. unfortunately, there's a lot more, and our policy machine seems to be conducive to their growth rate.N8 said:
The thing that makes me rather sad is that even those who study history seem to manage to repeat it.SkaredShtles said:
Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.
Correct, but it's a whole separate topic.N8 said:
Well - some are arrogant enough to think that they can "do it better this time".....johnbryanpeters said:
Which brings us back to... who was that fellow?SkaredShtles said:Well - some are arrogant enough to think that they can "do it better this time".....
Careful, there, Tex.johnbryanpeters said:Which brings us back to... who was that fellow?
this thing is up to eight pages now, so it may have been mentioned already....
but..
Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1
so they knew before hand, yet didn't let any of the people know?
how nice.....
:nuts:
but..
Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1
so they knew before hand, yet didn't let any of the people know?
how nice.....
:nuts:
ahhh didint they move on in to palestine after ww2 cause the west didint want them?
Another thing that has been gettin to me, why have the g8 meetings in populated areas? why not just have them in alaska or on a aircraft carrier or just dont tell anyone till its over?
who to point the finger at? Too many stupids ass white guys in suits.
Another thing that has been gettin to me, why have the g8 meetings in populated areas? why not just have them in alaska or on a aircraft carrier or just dont tell anyone till its over?
who to point the finger at? Too many stupids ass white guys in suits.
man this stuff is scary.
I've been watching all the past seasons of 24 on DVD. It's scary how close that show is to reality.
I've been watching all the past seasons of 24 on DVD. It's scary how close that show is to reality.
This was such a cowardly attack. My thoughts are with the victims' families and friends.
Personally I'm more concerned about China having us by the economic balls. They will have no reason to use the military when all they need to do is "squeeze". The only saving grace is we too have them by the economic balls, a mexican standoff of sorts.N8 said:
hey does anyone remember the episode of the simpsons where the fast forward to 2010 and see Lisa's future, any way she gets engaged to a British guy and homer takes him to moe's.
Moe: so.. your from England huh? we saved your asses in World war 2
British guy: yeah well we saved your asses in world war 3
Moe: so.. your from England huh? we saved your asses in World war 2
British guy: yeah well we saved your asses in world war 3