Not too much chatter on here about these guys that I've found. Expensive sure, but so are Push and Ohlins. Now with a US presence I expect to see more of these around sooner or later. Any 1st hand experience with their shocks?
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The X is in the middle of the same so that makes them more trustworthy in my mind.
DHX: pssh only extreme on the end?
XT: they're so extreme at the beginning they kill you in the end
EXT inspires confidence. EXT 2020!
DHX: pssh only extreme on the end?
XT: they're so extreme at the beginning they kill you in the end
EXT inspires confidence. EXT 2020!
I may guinea pig one this month, will report back if I do.
Arma on a Commencal Clash
Sweet. Hurry up with your review.
Im half expecting underwhelmosity from this dhx2 and started looking at options that I don't need.
So,
In theory These
Blow away the others
"disclaimer havent ridden it"
Large body (uses 1.5" spring) comparitively small shaft.
Huge high speed piston.
Opens up more possible shim stack configurations.
Basically the opposite of the baby dick dvo shocks.
Also a push shock is just an old rc2 with an extra high speed circiut, nothing to see there, i mean its better than a dhx2, but so is a dirty used 2014 rc2.
The dhx2 is marketing.
The twin tube originator ohlins puts the rebound adjustment on/in the shaft and uses a valved main piston for a reason on dirt shocks. The dhx2 is more about offering a single tune (which is more convienient for the supply chain) then delivering the best performing shock possible, so you end up with a compromised compression circiut in exchange for a HSC adjuster so that a 250lb spring and a 550lb spring work on the same shock without any shim changes. Then your told how bitchn it is..... So you dont wanna hear any of this....
The Ext will be miles ahead.....
4 way adjustables with poppets and their degressive dampening should stay on road race bikes where they belong.
In theory These
Blow away the others
"disclaimer havent ridden it"
Large body (uses 1.5" spring) comparitively small shaft.
Huge high speed piston.
Opens up more possible shim stack configurations.
Basically the opposite of the baby dick dvo shocks.
Also a push shock is just an old rc2 with an extra high speed circiut, nothing to see there, i mean its better than a dhx2, but so is a dirty used 2014 rc2.
The dhx2 is marketing.
The twin tube originator ohlins puts the rebound adjustment on/in the shaft and uses a valved main piston for a reason on dirt shocks. The dhx2 is more about offering a single tune (which is more convienient for the supply chain) then delivering the best performing shock possible, so you end up with a compromised compression circiut in exchange for a HSC adjuster so that a 250lb spring and a 550lb spring work on the same shock without any shim changes. Then your told how bitchn it is..... So you dont wanna hear any of this....
The Ext will be miles ahead.....
4 way adjustables with poppets and their degressive dampening should stay on road race bikes where they belong.
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If I could still get a Push'd Fox shock I'd go that route, but I cannot and the 11.5 ¾ isn't the route I'd like.
Ohlins are actually looking like a bargain these days.
Ohlins are actually looking like a bargain these days.
I got the first generation Storia two years ago (without climb switch an bottom out control). I had Nukeproof Mega back then and felt in love with the shock instantly (replaced Zhocci Roco TST coil shock), the grip difference was amazing. When it was time for new bike, I looked only for frames that fit the shock length, now it's on Giant Reign, still works great, I had to get MRP Ribbon coil just to get front end closer to the back in terms of traction and control (the stock Lyryk was far from it). The only downside is jumping - a little hard to preload, but you get used to it, and a little more bootomig out wit the Reign (with bottom out control would be great, but it's not retrofit-able ). I don't feel confident to give deep reviews, as I haven't use any of the new high end shocks, and my riding level and knowledge is not that great, but i know that when I sent the shock for servicing, a lost both pedals in the first ride with the old shock in a fast track with small rocks without knowing why, and I'm so confident in the rear traction, that a lost the technic to ride shitty shocks.
talked with the US distributor yesterday (are you guys on here?) they said all shocks are 6 weeks out, all built and shipped from the old country, and probably will come infected with teh virusus! (ok maybe not that last part)
Push says "no market for DH shocks anymore" which while a much smaller market than trail bikes just isn't true.
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Push says "no market for DH shocks anymore" which while a much smaller market than trail bikes just isn't true.
grumblegrumblegrumble
why not ohlins?
You could always go with the american version
Its called an avalanche woodie
Sourced locally....
Its called an avalanche woodie
Sourced locally....
Push is located in a state that probably has the most lift served dh stuff in the country. grumble grumble
But are people actually riding DH bikes there or just skidding around on enderpo bikes?
What's the after sales support gonna be like?
A lot of the smaller euro brands I keep an eye on are pushing EXT, but I have no time to waste investing in a shock that needs to be mailed back to Euro to be worked on or is not familiar to my local suspension tech, with adequate (fast shipping) parts support.
I don't care about an extra 3% of performance if it means prolonged downtime.
A lot of the smaller euro brands I keep an eye on are pushing EXT, but I have no time to waste investing in a shock that needs to be mailed back to Euro to be worked on or is not familiar to my local suspension tech, with adequate (fast shipping) parts support.
I don't care about an extra 3% of performance if it means prolonged downtime.
Their US service center is in SLC. Closer, but means nothing if parts are needed from Italy.
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Define 'people'
Looks like you've actually been to texas colorado
The only lift assisting I did was at Wintergreen in Virginia, which could be best described as trailer park boys with bikes.
Fuckin hell this sport needs more of that.
It was pretty hilarious, sadly it closed only after 2 seasons, because trailer park boys didn't align with the blue blood resort types.
c'mon over to windrock (although shuttled)! and occasionally snowshoe. and possibly massanutten? you could also probably find some at beech. less likely at sugar and bailey.
Brennan autosports is an ext dealer/tuner in california
It didn't open until after I left, but I think the massanutten bike park is "family friendly". Hopefully I am wrong, but here is their banner image for the park.
Running shoes
Sitting
fingerless gloves
I am guessing the folks I knew who would shuttle the area after eating an eighth of shrooms aren't hitting that.
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ok, maybe strike massanutten
Whistler earned it's reputation in the early 2000s by buidling family friendly trails. Y'all remember that?
Of course whistler is pretty small, no one's heard of it and no one spends money there, so maybe not the best example.
Of course whistler is pretty small, no one's heard of it and no one spends money there, so maybe not the best example.
I've always wondered if the EXT, BOS Void (not the Void2) have the same basic high/low speed valve design as Avalanche/Push MX and all sorts of other moto stuff. The basic valve design used by Avy is nothing special, it's a common copied design that most mtb manufactuers refuse to use because they want to get by with the least amount of work and think you want crap like pedaling platforms. The high/low concentric adjuster seems to be the same as the Avy/Push.
I got some riding on the prev-gen EXT (owner loved it and it was reliable), the first thing I noted was that it seemed to have higher breakaway force, usually inherent to larger (14mm+) shafts, not ideal for all frames.
It'd pair great to frames with excess initial progression for smaller shaft coils, notably most modern/current SC frames (N4, V10), and many from YT (Tues, Capra) - all candidates for EXT, DVO, fat-RC4, Elka, etc. Should pair decent with textbook (awesome) LRs like Commencal and Giant, though a touch harsher during from-air touchdowns than ideal, and a bit harder to jump/pop. Where I wouldn't put it is on frames with digression at the start of the curve or flatter LRs, like Kona, Orange, older Transitions, etc.
The new EXT looks nicely made otherwise, traditional design ftw, impressive weight too.
I want to like Ohlins but 3-position HSC adjuster on a DH shock is a joke.
It'd pair great to frames with excess initial progression for smaller shaft coils, notably most modern/current SC frames (N4, V10), and many from YT (Tues, Capra) - all candidates for EXT, DVO, fat-RC4, Elka, etc. Should pair decent with textbook (awesome) LRs like Commencal and Giant, though a touch harsher during from-air touchdowns than ideal, and a bit harder to jump/pop. Where I wouldn't put it is on frames with digression at the start of the curve or flatter LRs, like Kona, Orange, older Transitions, etc.
The new EXT looks nicely made otherwise, traditional design ftw, impressive weight too.
I want to like Ohlins but 3-position HSC adjuster on a DH shock is a joke.
reading between the lines i take that to mean that there's no market for Push in DH, in that they couldn't offer a product with enough performance gain over stock DH suspension at a price people would be willing to pay.
the avalanche HSC adjuster, that Craig sold to Darren for his first gen of mx tune shocks uses a poppet with adjustable spring preload. The EXT uses a pretty large diameter shim stack that has spring blows off when the spring is overcome. This setup can provide a smoother transition into the HSC blowing off
Dirtlabs in Longmont does custom tuning - https://service.dirtlabs.com/services-offered/
I had my DPX2 on my Sentinel tuned by them, that bike had a way-too-linear leverage curve and they did some interesting work to ramp up the LSC and HSC by removing the stock bump valve architecture from the shock to get rid of some of the spiking I was experiencing. Great experience with them from my end.
The best custom tune I've had so far was with Full Flow Suspension, who installed a Vorsprung Tractive tune (have also had multiple Push tunes and an Avalanche tune). Two things that I think help contribute to a good outcome are 1) a really good intake form - Vorsprung's is long but allows for a lot of detail 2) working with a local tuner so that you can reference trails that the tuner knows.