[Changleen]

And moving along quite nicely:

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In 1993, the True Love Waits movement urged teenagers to promise to refrain from sex until marriage. About 2.2 million adolescents, or 12% of U.S. teenagers, had taken such a pledge by 1995, according to the study.

The study found that 88% of sexually active people who took the pledge had intercourse before marriage. Sexually active pledgers were less likely to use condoms the first time they had sex, Bruckner said.

The study found that people who took an abstinence pledge were less likely to get tested and treated for venereal disease. They may then be infected longer than other people.

So it was a wildly successful program then. Religion in 'making things significantly worse' shocker. :nuts:

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

i read somewhere in the last couple days, a very similar text, i think it was yahoo news.. where they said there was a strong correlation between pledges to virginity, and an big fold-increase in non-vaginal sex....

hmm... interesting...
......"johnny, i wanna be a virgin until we declare our love in front of g-d!!. now nail my rectum"

 

[fluff]

And moving along quite nicely:

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So it was a wildly successful program then. Religion in 'making things significantly worse' shocker. :nuts:

Any chance of linking to the article where I don't need to be registered? It's difficult to verify the conclusions from the little data that you quoted (in fact it is possible that there is no data to support the conclusions).

 

[Changleen]

Can you say 'nail me in the ass' on ridemonkey?

 

[Changleen]

Any chance of linking to the article where I don't need to be registered? It's difficult to verify the conclusions from the little data that you quoted (in fact it is possible that there is no data to support the conclusions).

Ah, velly solly. Me assuming you google news regular...

Young adults who as teenagers took pledges not to have sex until marriage were just as likely to contract a venereal disease as people who didn't make the promise, according to a study in the Journal of Adolescent Health.

Sociologists studied data from a government-funded study that tested 11,000 18- to 24-year-olds for some sexually transmitted diseases, including chlamydia and gonorrhea.

There was no statistically significant difference between the percentage of people who took a so-called virginity pledge and were infected with an STD and those who didn't pledge, said Hannah Bruckner, one of the study's authors.

"It is important to teach adolescents that if they decide to have sex, they can protect from negative consequences," said Bruckner, an assistant professor of sociology at Yale University.

In 1993, the True Love Waits movement urged teenagers to promise to refrain from sex until marriage. About 2.2 million adolescents, or 12% of U.S. teenagers, had taken such a pledge by 1995, according to the study.

Researchers had expected those who took a virginity pledge to have a lower incidence of STDs because pledgers tended to have fewer sex partners, lose their virginity later and marry earlier than those who didn't make the promise, Bruckner said.

She said it was difficult to pinpoint a reason for the finding.

The study found that 88% of sexually active people who took the pledge had intercourse before marriage. Sexually active pledgers were less likely to use condoms the first time they had sex, Bruckner said.

The study found that people who took an abstinence pledge were less likely to get tested and treated for venereal disease. They may then be infected longer than other people.

Some teenagers and young adults may engage in other intimate activities besides vaginal sex in order to preserve their virginity, the study found.

Sex education programs that teach only about abstinence are "outside the reality of most adolescents and young adults," Bruckner said.

 

[MMike]

i read somewhere in the last couple days, a very similar text, i think it was yahoo news.. where they said there was a strong correlation between pledges to virginity, and an big fold-increase in non-vaginal sex....

hmm... interesting...
......"johnny, i wanna be a virgin until we declare our love in front of g-d!!. now nail me in the ass"

I wonder how they collect that data

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

I wonder how they collect that data

aight. here is what i read. after an easy search.

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=teens+sex+anal&sm=Yahoo!+Search&fr=FP-tab-news-t&toggle=1

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/216655_medi19.html?source=rss

"Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more likely to have had anal sex, according to the study. Overall, pledgers were six times more likely to have oral sex than teens who have remained abstinent but not as part of a pledge."
....
"An in-school questionnaire was given to a nationally representative sample of students in grades 7-12 and followed up with a series of in-home interviews roughly one, two and six years later. It was funded in part by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

changleen... i will edit.. rectum for ass for the sake of pc.

 

[RhinofromWA]

"Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more likely to have had anal sex, according to the study. Overall, pledgers were six times more likely to have oral sex than teens who have remained abstinent but not as part of a pledge."

Man.....

I should have taken that pledge! hahaha

 

[Silver]

Man.....

I should have taken that pledge! hahaha

The pledge doesn't count if it's enforced involuntarily...

 

[Changleen]

Man.....

I should have taken that pledge! hahaha

Damn right!

 

[RhinofromWA]

The pledge doesn't count if it's enforced involuntarily...

haha

....I was hoping for as much. Silver never lets me down!

 

[Silver]

haha

....I was hoping for as much. Silver never lets me down!

When you tee it up that high...

 

[RhinofromWA]

When you tee it up that high...

I never was very good at T ball.....

 

[Damn True]

And moving along quite nicely:

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So it was a wildly successful program then. Religion in 'making things significantly worse' shocker. :nuts:

So are you saying we should NOT recomend absitainance?

Oh, that's a sure way to prevent disease and pregancy, it's work'n like a charm in Africa.

What this cute little slanted story dosen't say is how many of the kids who abstained from sex contracted an STD or got preggers out of wedlock. Where is that data?

 

[Silver]

What this cute little slanted story dosen't say is how many of the kids who abstained from sex contracted an STD or got preggers out of wedlock. Where is that data?

Probably because even Terry Schiavo could figure that one out...

 

[Changleen]

So are you saying we should NOT recomend absitainance?

Damn right. 'I recommend that you suppress your own nature'. Idiots.

Oh, that's a sure way to prevent disease and pregancy, it's work'n like a charm in Africa.

??? What the **** are you talking about? Are you talking about the catholic church recommending that Africans don't use condoms in areas where there is 40% AIDS infection? Have you not noticed the places where there is least teenage pregnancy and STDs are the places that persue mature and frank sexual education and not religiously inspired BS?

What this cute little slanted story dosen't say is how many of the kids who abstained from sex contracted an STD or got preggers out of wedlock. Where is that data?

You're sitting in front of a computer. Google for it.

 

[Damn True]

Probably because even Terry Schiavo could figure that one out...

She would have gotten the point of the pledge as well.
Something the author of the article and this thread failed to pick up on.

 

[Damn True]

Damn right. 'I recommend that you suppress your own nature'. Idiots.
??? What the **** are you talking about? Are you talking about the catholic church recommending that Africans don't use condoms in areas where there is 40% AIDS infection? Have you not noticed the places where there is least teenage pregnancy and STDs are the places that persue mature and frank sexual education and not religiously inspired BS?

You're sitting in front of a computer. Google for it.

Idiot?
Nice. Way to take the high ground.

The point is that your natural ugres can kill you. Supressing an urge is not that hard. (we are talking about humans here not deer in rut) Are you saying that humans are incapable of delaying gratification? Either you don't think very highly of yourself, or you live amongst sociopaths.

What I'm talking about is that AIDS is most prolific in Africa where sex education programs and condom distribution have been going on for 20 years. Hmm, encouraging "responsible sex with protection" (oxymoron) clearly isn;t working. As for the Catholic thing.....way to take it out of context. Their point was that they would not support the distribution of condoms unless the education included a recomendation of abstainiance.

In summation:
Ok, what is the rate of AIDS infection when condoms are not recomended and provided?
What is the rate when they are recomended and provided?
What is the rate when unmarried people dont f$%k?

The idiot is the person that spins the cylinder and puts the gun to their head.......but figures it's ok since they have a thin layer of latex over the barrel.

 

[-BB-]

In summation:
Ok, what is the rate of AIDS infection when condoms are not recomended and provided?
What is the rate when they are recomended and provided?
What is the rate when unmarried people dont f$%k?

Your Logic can work both ways True.
Where do you reccomend condoms? High rate areas!
Where is it not as big an issue? Low rate areas!

Not that I agree with Changleen...

I think that it is fine to encourage people not to do it, and you should also encourage them to use a jimmy when they do AND to get tested.

Don't make them take a silly pledge though. Then they have no way "out" is they do get VD w/o admitting they F'd up the silly pledge.
W/O a pledge, they only messed up and got VD

 

[Changleen]

Idiot?
Nice. Way to take the high ground.

Idiots = I was talking about the pledge people. Idiot.

The point is that your natural ugres can kill you. Supressing an urge is not that hard. (we are talking about humans here not deer in rut) Are you saying that humans are incapable of delaying gratification? Either you don't think very highly of yourself, or you live amongst sociopaths.

I think you need to read the results of the study again. Are you actually arguing for abstinence as a method of STD and birth control when you've just read that it doesn't work? Have you ever actually heard of it working?

What I'm talking about is that AIDS is most prolific in Africa where sex education programs and condom distribution have been going on for 20 years. Hmm, encouraging "responsible sex with protection" (oxymoron) clearly isn;t working. As for the Catholic thing.....way to take it out of context. Their point was that they would not support the distribution of condoms unless the education included a recomendation of abstainiance.

Your ideas about what has gone on in Africa seem to be a little at odds with mine.

The idiot is the person that spins the cylinder and puts the gun to their head.......but figures it's ok since they have a thin layer of latex over the barrel.

No offence, but this makes no sense even as a bad metaphor.