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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20467347/

Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho pleaded guilty this month to misdemeanor disorderly conduct after being arrested at the Minneapolis airport.
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Roll Call, citing the report, said Sgt. Dave Karsnia made the arrest after an encounter in which he was seated in a stall next to a stall occupied by Craig. Karsnia described Craig tapping his foot, which Karsnia said he “recognized as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct.”

"Craig tapped his toes several times and moved his foot closer to my foot. I moved my foot up and down slowly," the report states. "The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area."

Roll Call also quoted the Aug. 8 police report as saying that Craig had handed the arresting officer a business card that identified him as a member of the Senate.

“What do you think about that?” Craig is alleged to have said, according to the report.

Last fall, Craig called allegations from a gay-rights activist that he’s had homosexual relationships “completely ridiculous.”
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Another reason I hate poopin' in public places..... but then we all hate that.
 
LordOpie

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Be careful of running into that guy at a bar. He's not being considerate when he asks, "can in push in your stool?"
 
jimmydean

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Why is it the guys who are the most outspoken against something always the ones found guilty of it in the worst way? An airport men's room? Seriously!
 
stinkyboy

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Quite a history of denial senator:

In 1982, Craig went on network news to deny rumors involving cocaine and sex with male congressional pages.

In October 2006, gay activist blogger Mike Rogers published allegations on his blog that Craig was homosexual; Craig called the allegation "completely ridiculous".

In an interview on May 14, 2007, with the Idaho Statesman newspaper, Craig responded to several allegations, including one by a Boise man who professed Craig had, essentially, flirted with him in 1994. The man, who is gay, told the Statesman that Craig stared at him in a sexually inviting way and followed him around [the] REI [in Boise] for a half-hour. Said Craig: "Once again, I'm not gay, and I don't cruise, and I don't hit on men. I have no idea how he drew that conclusion. A smile? Here is one thing I do out in public: I make eye contact, I smile at people, they recognize me, they say, ‘Oh, hi, Senator.' Or, ‘Do I know you?'

"I've been in this business 27 years in the public eye here. I don't go around anywhere hitting on men, and by God, if I did, I wouldn't do it in Boise, Idaho! Jiminy!
 
reflux

reflux

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1) Pleading no contest wasn't an option, or the charges had not gone to that level to make that plea an option?


2) Perhaps the Senator was asking his stallmate if he could spare a square.
 
sanjuro

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I rather enjoyed this article. My big thing, living in a gay neighborhood in SF, is you're gay, just come out and admit it. The worst thing is to politicize homophobia when you are gay.

A Scandal-Scarred G.O.P. Asks, ‘What Next?’
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

WASHINGTON, Aug. 28 — Scott Reed, a Republican strategist, was at a dinner in Philadelphia on Monday night when his cellphone and Internet pager began beeping like crazy. Only later did he learn why. His party was buzzing with news of a sex scandal involving a Republican United States senator — again.

Just when Republicans thought things could not get any worse, Senator Larry E. Craig of Idaho confirmed that he had pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct after an undercover police officer accused him of soliciting sex in June in a Minneapolis airport restroom. On Tuesday, Mr. Craig, 62, held a news conference to defend himself, calling the guilty plea “a mistake” and declaring, “I am not gay” — even as the Senate Republican leadership asked for an Ethics Committee review.

It was a bizarre spectacle, and only the latest in a string of accusations of sexual foibles and financial misdeeds that have landed Republicans in the political equivalent of purgatory, the realm of late-night comic television.

Forget Mark Foley of Florida, who quit the House last year after exchanging sexually explicit e-mail messages with under-age male pages, or Jack Abramoff, the lobbyist whose dealings with the old Republican Congress landed him in prison. They are old news, replaced by a fresh crop of scandal-plagued Republicans, men like Senator David Vitter of Louisiana, whose phone number turned up on the list of the so-called D.C. Madam, or Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska and Representative Rick Renzi of Arizona, both caught up in F.B.I. corruption investigations.

It is enough to make a self-respecting Republican want to tear his hair out in frustration, especially as the party is trying to defend an unpopular war, contain the power of the new Democratic majority on Capitol Hill and generate some enthusiasm among voters heading toward the presidential election in 2008.

“The real question for Republicans in Washington is how low can you go, because we are approaching a level of ridiculousness,” said Mr. Reed, sounding exasperated in an interview on Tuesday morning. “You can’t make this stuff up. And the impact this is having on the grass-roots around the country is devastating. Republicans think the governing class in Washington are a bunch of buffoons who have total disregard for the principles of the party, the law of the land and the future of the country.”

Then again, Washington does not have a monopoly on the latest trend among Republicans. Just ask Thomas Ravenel, the state treasurer of South Carolina, who had to step down as state chairman of Rudolph W. Giuliani’s presidential campaign after he was indicted on cocaine charges in June.

Or Bob Allen, a state representative in Florida who was jettisoned from the John McCain campaign last month after he was arrested on charges of soliciting sex in a public restroom.

Mr. Craig, for his part, has severed ties with the Mitt Romney campaign, despite his public declaration on Tuesday that “I did nothing wrong.”

In an interview Tuesday on “Kudlow and Company” on CNBC, Mr. Romney could not distance himself fast enough. “Once again, we’ve found people in Washington have not lived up to the level of respect and dignity that we would expect for somebody that gets elected to a position of high influence,” Mr. Romney said. “Very disappointing. He’s no longer associated with my campaign, as you can imagine.”

Republicans, of course, do not have an exclusive hold on scandal. As Democrats accused Republicans of engaging in a “culture of corruption” during the 2006 midterm elections, Republicans eagerly put the spotlight on Representative William J. Jefferson, the Louisiana Democrat who stashed $90,000 in his freezer — ill-gotten gains, the authorities said.

Still, there is a sort of “here we go again” sense among Republicans these days, especially since news of the Craig arrest broke on Monday afternoon. It is tough enough being in the minority, weighed down by the burden of the war in Iraq. Now Republicans have an even more pressing task: keeping their party from being portrayed not just as hypocritical and out of touch with the values of people they represent, but also as a laughingstock — amid headlines like “Senator’s Bathroom Bust,” which ran all Tuesday afternoon on CNN. The story also ran at the top of all the network evening newscasts on Tuesday.

“I’m hoping it’s a big mistake,” said one of Mr. Craig’s Republican colleagues, Senator Lamar Alexander, traveling Tuesday in Tennessee, his home state. “But it certainly does nothing to increase confidence in the United States Senate.”

With President Bush hobbled by his own political difficulties, the party can hardly look to him to lead them out of the morass. “If we had a coach,” said John Feehery, who was press secretary to Representative J. Dennis Hastert when Mr. Hastert was the House speaker, “the coach would take us in the locker room and scream at us.”

Some Republicans are indeed screaming, particularly the party’s social conservative wing, which places a high priority on ethics and family values. Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, a conservative advocacy group in Washington, said the elections of November 2006, in which Republicans lost control of the House and the Senate, proved that voters want politicians in Washington to clean up their act.

“Exit polls show that was the No. 1 factor in depressing Republican enthusiasm,” Mr. Perkins said in an interview Tuesday. “There is an expectation that leaders who espouse family values will live by those values. And while the values voters don’t demand perfection, I do believe they want leaders with integrity.”

The perception that Mr. Craig is not living up to his own values is causing problems for him, and after his appearance on Tuesday, with his wife standing by his side, some Republicans confessed they did not know what to think.

“He sounded almost as convincing as, ‘I did not have sex with that woman,’ ” said Gary Bauer, a Christian conservative and onetime Republican presidential candidate, reprising President Bill Clinton’s remark initially denying involvement with Monica S. Lewinsky.

Mr. Craig is up for re-election next year and has promised to announce next month whether he is running again. Some, like Mr. Bauer, say he is unlikely to survive the current scandal; others, noting that Senator Vitter seems to have weathered his storm, say Mr. Craig might be able to tough it out. And at the rate things are going, says Mr. Reed, the Republican strategist, it might be only a matter of time before a new scandal pushes Mr. Craig’s woes off the front page.

“I’m a little afraid to say anything, because you don’t know what happens tomorrow,” Mr. Reed said. “That Vitter thing, that’s like ancient history now.”
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ohio

ohio

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Is it just me, or does it feel like the resignation and uproar are driven more by the gay than the crime itself?

As in, if he gotten arrested trying to nail, say, a female flight attendent in the 737 bathroom (same crime, different hole), there would be no resignations...
 
MMike

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ohio said:
Is it just me, or does it feel like the resignation and uproar are driven more by the gay than the crime itself?

As in, if he gotten arrested trying to nail, say, a female flight attendent in the 737 bathroom (same crime, different hole), there would be no resignations...
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Which is why gays have no business being in politics because they have courage or intergrity. stupid gays
 
MikeD

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Senator Craig Arrested
Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) was arrested for lewd conduct at the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport for allegedly attempting to cruise an undercover cop in a public restroom. What do you think?


Liza Boors,
Systems Analyst
"I don't have any problem with his behavior, as long as he wasn't trying to marry the guy."


Tom Hawkins,
Bus Driver
"Are you thinking what I'm thinking? What was a senator from Idaho doing in Minnesota?"


Joe Palazzo,
Meter Reader
"This situation begs a much bigger question: Why is our police force so tempting?"
 
$tinkle

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an update: ACLU: Sex in Restroom Stalls Is Private
The ACLU filed a brief Tuesday supporting Craig. It cited a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling 38 years ago that found that people who have sex in closed stalls in public restrooms "have a reasonable expectation of privacy."
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not sure what to think here, but it seems the aclu may have a case for dismissal.

now onto this question: what is the reasonable expectation of privacy look like? since this should not extend to being legally able to do illegal acts, is a lewd act - like masturbation - offered some sort of protection? does craig's desired act "rise" above being lewd conduct?
 
MikeD

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He lost REP when he breached the stall of the UC cop, in my humble legal opinion. REP is sometimes considered geographically, but is always considered with respect to whther an individual expects and desires privacy in a given location. By communicating with the stall next to him, Craig indicated he wished another person to be involved. Doesn't matter that it was a cop, instead of a willing discreet homosexual man--you can't pick and choose that way.

The court case, I imagine, says that two willing particiants in sex have an REP in a public restroom. Totally different circumstance. If Craig had found a nice boy instead of that mean cop, and they had retired to a stall together, they would then enjoy REP together in the stall. However, this involves communication from within the stall wherein REP is enjoyed. An invitation to a second party's involvement is now implicit, even if the communication was accidental.

Likewise, anything emenating from a place where the occupants enjoy REP is fair game for anyone else, cops or otherwise. If a cop is legally present and can hear your admission of a comission of a crime, for example, it's not a breach of your REP. (Say, you're drunk in a hotel room--where you enjoy REP-- and bragging loudly about shooting someone, and he's in the hall and can hear you--your statements aren't protected.)
 
Secret Squirrel

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$tinkle said:
an update: ACLU: Sex in Restroom Stalls Is Privatenot sure what to think here, but it seems the aclu may have a case for dismissal.

now onto this question: what is the reasonable expectation of privacy look like? since this should not extend to being legally able to do illegal acts, is a lewd act - like masturbation - offered some sort of protection? does craig's desired act "rise" above being lewd conduct?
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Right now Larry's probably thinking: "A loop-hole....why haven't I ever tried *that* one before?!?!?"
 
LordOpie

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It's funny how Peewee Herman's career was ruined cuz he was jacking off at an adult movie in an adult movie theater.

Makes you wonder.
 
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