deffinelty not me. seems a little too Orwellian for my taste. plus i dont trust big bro....er...capitol hill. whats next biometrics?
You must not have gotten the memo...they are the small government party when a Democrat is President.reflux said:I always thought Republicans were supposed to be against a large and powerful government? Am I missing something?
they will have a chip in them that stores personal data.caboverpete said:How would a federal ID card differ that much from a social security card... maybe just slap a picture on the SS card. I dont see much harm in that.
Actually I think I got the memo, though I must've left my Republican Party decoder ring at home because nothing made any sense.Silver said:You must not have gotten the memo...they are the small government party when a Democrat is President.
There is no decoder ring...reflux said:Actually I think I got the memo, though I must've left my Republican Party decoder ring at home because nothing made any sense.
Haha! true that. You can count me out. Sure we have our protection under the current government, but things change, history has proven that this government will not be around forever and the consequences of having such a card scare me.escapeartist said:Come on guys havent you heard of WWII Germany and Rwanda? Federal ID cards have been used by other governments with much success, the US is just behind the times
In theory, yes. In practice I've sen nothing that suggests that the redundancy is planned to be removed. Secondly there will be more biometric data than fingerprints included on the ID cards. Retinal scans will most likely be on there too, and I read that there may be a record kept of DNA samples elsewhere tied in with the cards creation, however this seems a little far fetched even for the US.Transcend said:Passports now carry fingerprint data, soon to be in RFID format. You have an SS card, and a drivers license.
Putting these together will make absolutely no difference to your privacy, yet will save billions in the long run by only having to produce/keep track of one card.
Changleen said:In theory, yes. In practice I've sen nothing that suggests that the redundancy is planned to be removed. Secondly there will be more biometric data than fingerprints included on the ID cards. Retinal scans will most likely be on there too, and I read that there may be a record kept of DNA samples elsewhere tied in with the cards creation, however this seems a little far fetched even for the US.
So, whilst the big brother aspect doesn't particularly bother me as a law abiding citizen (much), if the logical extent of the card is not done alongside it's introduction (i.e removing all that redundancy of SS and DL etc.) it's just another huge cost, which doesn't actually help at all with it's stated aim of making your country safer. I have seen no plans to do this, so unless you know better, it's just money for nothing other than another means of public surveillance.
And RFID chips in the cards? This potentially means that you could be tracked where ever equipment is in place to track you... At least you can turn off your mobile without arousing suspicion.
Transcend said:Passports now carry fingerprint data, soon to be in RFID format. You have an SS card, and a drivers license.
Putting these together will make absolutely no difference to your privacy, yet will save billions in the long run by only having to produce/keep track of one card.
He does have a good point however, in pointing out that if those other systems are not abolished, it is simply another monumental waste of resources with absolutely NO benefit.Damn True said:Exactly right.
Take the combined costs of administration of SS ID, State Department Passports and State ID vs a single centralized identification document and the cost savings are staggering.
Furthermore it will reduce the opportunity for document forgery. It is currently far too easy to obtain forged identifiction documents and convert them into legit documents. You can buy a fake CA drivers liscence in Mexico, take it to Oregon walk into the DMV and hand it to them in exchange for a perfectly legal Oregon liscence.
That's still gotta happen no matter what, untill there are proper real time 3D imaging mass-spectrometers that every bit of baggage can be passed through. Our tech isn't quite that cool yet.Transcend said:I ALWAYS get hauled aside, bags searched etc.
You are correct. The Federal ID should be instituted and once up and running, the other systems should be ditched.Transcend said:He does have a good point however, in pointing out that if those other systems are not abolished, it is simply another monumental waste of resources with absolutely NO benefit.
I am all for it - i was one of the first people to sign up for the border express pass system here meant for commuters to the US. I wasn't accepted due to the fact that they changed requirements (had to be working on the other side of the border) but its a great system.
DNA, retinal scan AND fingerprint all on one card along with photo, personal info etc. All RFID based. Works almost like easypass. Drive up, it gets scanned, border guard checks that you are indeed you by matching your photo and off you go.
If only customs at the airport worked this way, I would be in heaven. I ALWAYS get hauled aside, bags searched etc.
No - bags get xrays, sniffed etc. I mean i get hauled out of line, into the little customs room, where my bag(s) is opened before me, i am asked all sorts of stupid questions (Do you have any drugs or weapons in this bag? - right..and if I did I'm gonna tell you).Changleen said:That's still gotta happen no matter what, untill there are proper real time 3D imaging mass-spectrometers that every bit of baggage can be passed through. Our tech isn't quite that cool yet.
It's cos you talk to me on the . neaky:Transcend said:No - bags get xrays, sniffed etc. I mean i get hauled out of line, into the little customs room, where my bag(s) is opened before me, i am asked all sorts of stupid questions (Do you have any drugs or weapons in this bag? - right..and if I did I'm gonna tell you).
I have to schedule almost an extra hour every trip for this - it is absurd and never fails, I ALWAYS get tagged. I travel well dressed, with camera gear and a laptop, fly very frequently, always carry a canadian passport, sit in business class and am always polite. Meanwhile dopey white boy speaking ebonics in pants that 4 of my fellow passengers could get into gets whisked aboard hassle free.