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Incubus

Monkey
Oct 17, 2001
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Kanter said:
Has anyone heard of this??????
I saw the same one that J_B saw on the mtbr classifieds. I think I remember seeing it back when 1.5" was initially introduced as well. Might have been the same frame though.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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WestCoastHucker said:
all the hoopla, and still no full length seat tube..........
Looks pretty close to a full length. My 02.5 you can move about 4" which is plenty for me. The 05 looks like a lot more adjustment.
 

Rik

Turbo Monkey
Nov 6, 2001
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"Foes exclusive threaded steer tube, no flimsy star nuts here"
Sounds like something BMX's have used for quite a while, but does anyone else care that "wimpy star nuts" are perfectly good for bearing preload, and being "wimpy" is probably advantageous in that situation.
Sorta like the reason why aheadsets came out with plastic top caps when they first hit the market, to stop people from overtightening and killing the bearings. If you destroy a starnut preloading your bearings, there's trouble...
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Ya you are right about the bend but I bet it has more adjustability. Im only speculating here though. It looks like there is about 5" of adjustment.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Does anyone know the size of the shock on the 05 Fly? I to I? Im thinking about upgrading. Im just wondering if the Avalanche on my 02.5 Fly will fit? Would it need to be revalved? Is the leverage ratio the same? Anyone?
 

Monkeybidnezz

Turbo Monkey
Dec 16, 2003
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Kanter said:
Does anyone know the size of the shock on the 05 Fly? I to I? Im thinking about upgrading. Im just wondering if the Avalanche on my 02.5 Fly will fit? Would it need to be revalved? Is the leverage ratio the same? Anyone?
I may be speaking out of my arse, but since it now has 8-9 inches of travel, I would imagine that it wouldn't be compatible. I tried finding the i2i on the website, but didn't see it. Thats one of my gripes about my Fly tho...dang shock is frigging huge and cant change it out w/ other manufactures. Sometimes exclusivity isn't a good thing.....
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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I would think they would keep the same I to I shock to keep down on cost. The shock on the older Fly was 11.15" I to I with a 3" stroke with the Curnutt. I guess Ill have to call Foes on Monday unless anyone knows.....
 

Russ

Chimp
Jan 25, 2003
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Bay Area, California
Kanter said:
I would think they would keep the same I to I shock to keep down on cost. The shock on the older Fly was 11.15" I to I with a 3" stroke with the Curnutt. I guess Ill have to call Foes on Monday unless anyone knows.....
I have an 05 on order and had the same questions, Just heard back from Eric at Foes:

"The 2005 has the same eye-to-eye as the 2004, but the valving is different because of the different leverage ratio on the shock."

Craig will probably have to revalve your Avy and he thinks it's going to need a longer reservoir hose as well. I just measured the eye-to-eye on the Avy on my 04 and according to my highly accurate tape measurer, it appears to be 11.15 as well.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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The Avalanche is 11.25" on my FLY.... Thanks so much for the info. Im so happy my Avy will work, now to get the 05 and get the Avy revalved.

What are you going to do with your 04?
 

Russ

Chimp
Jan 25, 2003
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Bay Area, California
Kanter said:
So do you like the Avy better than the Curnutt, too?

Oh yeah! I come from a moto-x background and the Avy's just feel better to me. Purely subjective. BTW, I think we talked briefly up at Whistler this past summer. I was the guy with the red fly with Avy's on both ends.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Montana
I talked with a guy at Whistler but he had the 888 with Go-Ride crowns. Our bikes where almost exact except his had Saint cranks. Was that you? Did you have the Avy in the front already?
 

Russ

Chimp
Jan 25, 2003
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Bay Area, California
Kanter said:
I talked with a guy at Whistler but he had the 888 with Go-Ride crowns. Our bikes where almost exact except his had Saint cranks. Was that you? Did you have the Avy in the front already?
Yah, that was me. I was swapping back and forth between the 888's and the Avy. I have a friend at Whistler that swore he could make the 888's work better. The Avy forks went back on the next day. :)
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Which Avy are you both running on the front? Is there really that much difference between the AVY and the 888? How high is the AVY compared to the 888 (with LR crowns) on the FLY? Weight difference?
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
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Kanter said:
Is there really that much difference between the AVY and the 888? How high is the AVY compared to the 888 (with LR crowns) on the FLY? Weight difference?
You are talking about different worlds here. My 8" Avalanche is lower than with my 888 with Risse crowns, by almost 3/4".
 

Russ

Chimp
Jan 25, 2003
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Bay Area, California
I ran the DHF7Ti. I just weighed them on my fish scale, and the Avy was 8 lb 10 oz. The 888 was 7 lb 6 oz. As for the height, I could set the Avy up with the same axle to crown as on the 888 WITH the LR crowns (which was as long as the AVY could go) - or shorter if I wanted to steepen the head angle. And I could shorten it a lot! I usually ran it at 22.5 I think which was just about the same as the 888's with the LR crowns, and I think that's what Foes recommended for the Fly.

The 'feel' is just different. It feels more solid, doesn't ever spike, and has better small bump compliance. That's just my opinion. It feels more 'moto-y' and they NEVER require any maintenance. The same fork spent about 6 weeks at Whistler last year on an M1 and 8 this year on the Fly. That, plus lots of other rides and the only maintenance was changing the oil. And that's about a 10 minute job. Same seals, bushing, everything else. I do change the oil more than I really need to though.
 

seismic

Turbo Monkey
Dec 22, 2003
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Kanter said:
Which Avy are you both running on the front? Is there really that much difference between the AVY and the 888? How high is the AVY compared to the 888 (with LR crowns) on the FLY? Weight difference?

I have a MTN-8 fork. COmpared to the 888 I find the fork working in another way, - especially in the rebound. The rebound is not slow when you push down on the fork, but when riding it kicks in. The compression is a different matter because it has integrated H/L speed comp. It is very plush all the way down but will still stiffen up at big impacts. Also, - mine has the anti-bottoming hydralic cone system, so you will never feel it bottoming.
I like it very much. :thumb:
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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I never cared for the Curnutt on my FLY either. Everyone thought I was crazy when I got rid of it. I actually liked the Romic better than the Curnutt even. The Avy is way better than both the Romic and Curnutt. I think the AVY even climbs just as good.
 

Russ

Chimp
Jan 25, 2003
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Bay Area, California
Kanter said:
RUSS,
Can you tell the Avy has 1" less travel than the 888 on big hits or drops?
Not really. I think the hydraulic oil lock anti-botoming thing has a lot to do with it. With that said, I'll probably get a DHF8 instead of a 7 for the new Fly.
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Montana
Russ,
Which DHF7 do you have? The DH, HK, DH/FR? How different does the inverted feel? I have a few buddys that hate the feeling of inverted forks.

Let me know the weight of the Ti-DHF8 when you get it? Im curious as to how much more it weighs than the Ti-DHF7.

Whatcha gunna do wit da Ti DHF7????? :D
 

Russ

Chimp
Jan 25, 2003
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Bay Area, California
Kanter said:
Russ,
Which DHF7 do you have? The DH, HK, DH/FR? How different does the inverted feel? I have a few buddys that hate the feeling of inverted forks.

Let me know the weight of the Ti-DHF8 when you get it? Im curious as to how much more it weighs than the Ti-DHF7.

Whatcha gunna do wit da Ti DHF7????? :D
The DHF7 is a DHF7Ti that is over 2 years old. It was one of the first batch that they made and was before they did the FR/DH/HK thing. It's pretty much DH valving though. For me, FWIW, the inverted forks feel more supple, probably because of less unsprung weight and they seem to handle small chop better. The 888 seemed to track straighter though in rocks/roots - probably due to more torsional rigidity. We thought about pinning the front axel on the Avy but haven't done it yet. Just my opinion.


Dunno what I'm going to do with the 7 yet. It's still on the 04 Fly and will probably stay there for a while.
 

xc skier

Chimp
Apr 6, 2004
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Kanter said:
I never cared for the Curnutt on my FLY either. Everyone thought I was crazy when I got rid of it. I actually liked the Romic better than the Curnutt even. The Avy is way better than both the Romic and Curnutt. I think the AVY even climbs just as good.
Why didn't you like Curnutt? I've it on my Fly and so far i've been satisfied with that
 

Kntr

Turbo Monkey
Jan 25, 2003
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Montana
The small bump sensitivity on the Curnutt is terrible. I tuned it again and again and could never get the clunk feeling to go away. In choppy wash board sections my teeth would rattle and I could feel a clunk in my pedals. Other than that I loved the Curnutt. It climbed and pedaled great and took drops like nothin. The Avy, if valved correctly, will climb as good as a Curnutt and will still eat up small and big hits. Once you ride a Avalanche on a Fly you will never ride the Curnutt again. I even traded Foes my Curnutt for a Romic, jersey, and S-floater rod. I think the Romic felt better on small stuff than the Curnutt, when it wasn't leaking. The Romic didn't take big hits or drops and well, though.