I am not saying anything about the how big the difference is, my statement is true and you are trying to dig yourself out a hole, you are wrong - there is a difference and it has been measured between various materials in the lab with test dummies to be significant. Maybe you should volunteer as a test dummy for future studies :nuts:RhinofromWA said:You must be so bogged down in detail your thoughts can't come up for air.
Does the coating adversly effect to a point that it is noticable and should be warned against?neaky:
Dare I say no.....and until you have some test that shows used in this application that a hhuman being will notice anything as a result of this coating you are talking out of you well informed but clueless mouth.
Your study says nothing but the obvious...there is a difference between smooth and textured surfaces. Well gee I guess that proves it.
Before you make funof my typing and lack of proof reading, take a look at your lack of ability understand the application and how it would react in it. Then you can make a false blanket statement.
For you "Stealth" Black dorks out there.....
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thats life..you gotta pay to play
OK now tell me would this coating adversly effect the ability for it to slide along the dirt in an offroad situation (they are talking pavement) to a point where it would even be an issue?syadasti said:
no.
Your assurtion is true....syadasti said:
BUT has little to nothing to do with thei helmet in this application. Surely you can't be blind to that. I have said that the amount of difference is nothing as percieved by a human.
you are defend yourself by saying you are right (duh! you want a lolly pop?)
Significant....hmmmmm. For road bike helmets on pavement with aero fairings.....:rolleyes.
Your study did not test this helmet and the manner it was coated and assessed it's safety, or lack there off. It is a related study but has little in with respect to application to dissing this helmet before you have even seen it.
Right?
I have 1000 x's more than you do I have a kid who has crashed and not broken his neck or complaind that the helmet had to much friction and he wanted a slick helmet again.DßR said:
Real field knowledge......and more experience with this helemet than most here. Where ayour statements are based on an elementary concept that has been tested in an application that has very little to do with conditions this helemt would come in contact to....
so yes my proof is better than your proof.
i'm with you rhino....
the naysayers are probably the same dorks whe think the "between the knees" shiver test also has scientific merit....
the naysayers are probably the same dorks whe think the "between the knees" shiver test also has scientific merit....
I guess you don't ride on rocks or any other hard surfaces, I've heard such rumors from WA exports before.RhinofromWA said:
Regardless, if the helmet coating is lower friction it will slide better on the surface it contacts - it doesn't matter what it is sliding on. What other crazy ideas do you have?
You should tell snowboarding/skiers to quit waxing their board - they have no clue/makes no difference cause they are sliding on a less hard surface than concrete, what does lower friction matter
I really like your large SRS size of one, your observational study / proof is so valid
That is Lisa's rock all over again. What do you own stock in Rubatone or something?RhinofromWA said:I have 1000 x's more than you do I have a kid who has crashed and not broken his neck or complaind that the helmet had to much friction and he wanted a slick helmet again.
Real field knowledge......and more experience with this helemet than most here. Where ayour statements are based on an elementary concept that has been tested in an application that has very little to do with conditions this helemt would come in contact to....
so yes my proof is better than your proof.
Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
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Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
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Lisa: It doesn't work.
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Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
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Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
[Lisa refuses at first, then takes the exchange]
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
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Yet how big is your sample size to prove me wrong?syadasti said:I guess you don't ride on rocks or any other hard surfaces, I've heard such rumors from WA exports before.
Regardless, if the helmet coating is lower friction it will slide better on the surface it contacts - it doesn't matter what it is sliding on. What other crazy ideas do you have?
You should tell snowboarding/skiers to quit waxing their board - they have no clue/makes no difference cause they are sliding on a less hard surface than concrete, what does lower friction matter
I really like your large SRS size of one, your observational study / proof is so valid
It is better....but at what point does it become a problem. I am simply saying that in this application and in the way it was administered I would not worry about it.
I am pretty sure that a surface area of a eraser head is not going to grap and twist your neck....of cuase muchif any difference to the wearer. I am sure it is a you are using a fine study but the you are basing all your opinoins on a study focusing on quasi-related subject. All the conclusions won't always cross over.
You have more to worry aobut your chin bar or visor grabbing that this coating. so unless you run a perfectly smooth, non-vented, visorless, buttonless, helmet that is void of any surface changes....that should make you get rid of your existing helmet based on that study.
Right?
How is the study eny different?Tenchiro said:
it does not address this helmet or this coating.
Lisa Rock indeed......
"how much for the rock?"
No, no stock. I am annoyed by people who have "some" knowledge, but the lack of practicality in it's application. No one can think for themselves yet the hold on to their precious study which I am not refuting. I am saying the effect would not be noticable by the wearer. To any degree, as to cause this "educated" persons rejection or questioning of the product....based on a quasi-related study and it's conclusions. When the same 'educated' people have yet to take that idea and assess whether it has warrant to discredit the helmet when they have yet to hold on in their hand or have any clue of this helmet other than what I posted first.
Wow, Im gonna make an e-guess here. I could see wanting a slick helmet for riding crotch rockets at 100 mph or something i guess, but the kinds of crashes DHers have, i think, this wouldnt be much of an issue. Not enough to worry about.
Ah but the study showed that impacts at well under DH speeds, there is a significant difference. From the abstract:BurlySurly said:
Also alot of companies these days do recalls for failures or problems that occur in a very small fraction of vehicles.
For example, the Saturn Vue was voluntarily recalled cause of a one failure in a new test that just came out. Or the Ford Exploder - there are probably millions on the road, but the Firestone tire issue only lead to a few hundred accidents.
When you are dealing with some's life or the difference between a sore neck/back vs. being in a wheelchair for the rest of your life, people would want whatever advantage they could get...
I will go with you on this as I have never hit a tree and, well, you have. :devil:RhinofromWA said:There would be no noticable friction from the helmet while striking a tree or anything short of tissue paper.
i just still don't see this helmet sticking to dirt......
Syadisti is just mad because he lost the argument to me about DH trail erosion. Get over it dude. Its been months.
Personally, I'd like my helmet to have more safe features (slick finish, breakable visor with breakable mounting bolts...) than unsafe ones (sticky coatings, metal visor screws, hardcore-looking studs, etc.). It is safety equipment afterall.
Although, I'd also save my cash and but a MadMax over that helmet any day. Already saved my life once.
Although, I'd also save my cash and but a MadMax over that helmet any day. Already saved my life once.
That study is great for people's kids who are riding around their neighborhood. For DHers, it's pointless.syadasti said:
1. Look at the data tables, angle of impact has a greater effect than the coating... find me a helmet that can control that!
And
2. Friction would be lessened by the higher speed... since the inertia of the object would be a greater contributor than the friction, enough as to rule out any effect of friction. This makes the relevance of the coating less significant.
Either way it's an overpriced helmet with a useless gimmick... the rubber coating is more to keep it looking pretty than anything else and I think it's lame.
Just my lame E-opinion (Then again, I'm an Engineer...)
Jinx!DßR said:
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Yes, because your irrelevent studies didnt cover the full spectrum of riding (ie. DH riding) and then you lost and I laughed. :nuts: Maybe you should take some reading comrehension classes.syadasti said:
This thread is funny - and very sad.
The Matt helmet looks 1000x cooler than a shiny one. The matt finish will have so little effect, what the hell are you all going on about? Are you ants or something? Y'all crashing at 180mph? Chill out. The matt helmet looks cool. If you're that worried about safety, why don't you sell your bikes and buy some blankets?
The Matt helmet looks 1000x cooler than a shiny one. The matt finish will have so little effect, what the hell are you all going on about? Are you ants or something? Y'all crashing at 180mph? Chill out. The matt helmet looks cool. If you're that worried about safety, why don't you sell your bikes and buy some blankets?
OMG, lamest thread of 2004 by far.
I'll tell ya what, buy a big tub of Astroglide and rub it all over your rubber helmet before every ride.
Problem solved.
I'll tell ya what, buy a big tub of Astroglide and rub it all over your rubber helmet before every ride.
Problem solved.
Changleen said:
Jeremy R said:OMG, lamest thread of 2004 by far.
I'll tell ya what, buy a big tub of Astroglide and rub it all over your rubber helmet before every ride.
Problem solved.
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Ahahaha what is it about the DH forum that all of a sudden makes you become an expert on the stupidest sheeot. i swear i'm so frikkin glad that people i ride with don't talk like this on the trail, i'd have to take up rollerblading or something lame like that....
This thread =
Brock I have been looking for that smilie for weeks!brock said:This thread =
Thank You!....errrrrr for giving back the best smilie ever! Not for calling my thread of love....ummmm
