That's rightJust so I'm clear... We have established now that:
Jeeps > Raptor > Subaru > 3/4 ton pickup
Right?
Ford Raptor
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No, we have established that nothing equals everything and everything equals nothing.Just so I'm clear... We have established now that:
Raptor > Subaru > 3/4 ton pickup
Right?
Mathmatically speaking we've come to the conclusion that this thread lost focus of the ford raptor pages ago.
oh hey i herd about the rapt0r it's a pretty cool car i think it would be really good for getting over the potholes in the city n my frenz can ride in the back once we put some seat back ther.
I understand your high clearance roads just fine, and a forester is just fine for those, no argument there. the argument came in when the forester dude claimed it was more capable off road than a full size 4x4 truck, which it clearly is not.
Sure departure and approach angles are not what they used to be on fullsize trucks, but they are still better than a forester.
not all 3/4 ton trucks are clumsy. Dodge's new PowerWagon comes equipped from the factory to tackle most off-roading and it is quite capable too
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This again comes down to where and how.it will be used. Is a forester a better off-road vehicle than a pickup truck? No. Is a forester more than enough of an off-road vehicle to suffice on he roads Mooshu will likely be taking his truck on? Yes.
If we are talking real Jeeps sure. Grand Cherokee yuppie wagons need not apply.That's right
Solid axles + 4.0 + TC w/ low range = real enough for me.
We did that trail last spring (2010):
I agree that Forester would not get far there. And a stock Raptor even with it's power and locked rear end and travel would have a tough time with it's width and 133" wheelbae. We got a slightly modded Disco I thru but it was a lot of work and it suffered some trail damage. I wouldn't want to ding up the bright red paint and graphics on a $40k+ truck if I paid for it.
Funny enough, that XJ in your vid is a great rig for value, capability, size. It's probably equal to or better than the Forester in everything but MPG (although a VW diesel would solve that: http://blogs.jpmagazine.com/6667601/editorials/easy-jeep-vw-tdi-diesel-swap/index.html).
But for what MOST people use their suv and pickups for a Forester is plenty capable. And the Raptor is way overkill and goes against a lot of what I think a pickup should be (but I love it anyways)
The Raptor isn't meant to rock crawl. It's meant to haul ass through the desert. Personally, I don't find enjoyment in trying to drive up rocks when I could just hike it in 30 seconds. To each their own though.
Man, you just keep getting dumber and dumber, I'm ganna have to send you my asshat, you don't even know where I take my truck.....
well seeing as how 600 horse isn't **** for a diesel, you could do it on a cummins truck too......
I will also call BS on the fact you are going anywhere you couldn't get to in a Subaru...or a freaking Camry for that matter. I got no problem with you saying you wanted a truck over a 4 Runner, but the other reasons you are using to justify it, like reliability, are absurd.
Um. No.
There's a reason diesel trucks aren't built into pre-runners. I've owned diesel trucks. They are good at a lot of things...hauling ass in the desert isn't one of them.
im sorry, youre terribly wrong.
Top 3 in the Dakar were VW TDi's and were fastest of all categories
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Off road knowledge dick measuring aside, I think what he meant was 600 hp Cummings Ram would have a pretty hard time keeping up with a raptor in the dez.
I'd also bet pretty much any other stock production truck would have a hard time keeping up with a raptor in the desert.
you put a properly setup diesel in a chassis setup like the Raptor, then yes it will more than keep up with it.
edit: Chevy's answer to the Raptor was shown with a diesel btw.
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Yes, a diesel setup like that chevy pictured would keep up with a Raptor. I was referring to diesels currently offered for sale in the US. F250s, 2500s and Cummins arent exactly candidates for high speed desert trucks. I was referring to diesels as they are sold, not referring to the type of engine.
I loved having a diesel and would buy another one in a heartbeat. I would just like to have ability to buy a smaller diesel in a smaller pickup...or even the current offerings in the regular truck (F-150, Tundra, 1500 etc). That GMC would be a beast. I'd buy something like right now if they made one.i see what you are saying.
that GMC has a stock Duramax btw.
Yoooo bil, i jerst bawt meez a new truck
I took a Transit XLT for a test drive. Seems like the perfect vehicle for me. If I wasn't moving I would like to get one. It did pretty well in the snow. Nice van.
I do use it, not offroad much though(turd package wont help me any), mostly to haul bikes, quads, and landscapinglikely
Irony of Demo9 being one of the few actually using his truck, regardless of who actually wrote the check
Uh huh...I take it thats compared to a shopping trolley.
handled better than my tundra, sure its not a benchmark, but thats pretty good considering it has twice the travelUh huh...I take it thats compared to a shopping trolley.
Good lord dude. My statement was thrown out there with the sole purpose of comparing whatever cummings diesel 3/4 ton truck TheMontashu is driving vs a raptor.you put a properly setup diesel in a chassis setup like the Raptor, then yes it will more than keep up with it.
edit: Chevy's answer to the Raptor was shown with a diesel btw.
Chevy's concept is still a concept. VW's Dakar buggys are still only driveable if you're some sort of enduro racing savant. Find me a diesel truck I can go down to the dealer today and buy that will haul butt in the desert like a raptor.
what is the chevy for? rock crawling or dune racing? It looks good, but i cant quite figure it out.
i photographer the baja1000 and in one of the production truck classes some dudes were running a dodge diesel. No idea how they did.
I'd think the right diesel in the right chassis could be everybit as competetive in the desert as a raptor. But Ford hasnt made that F150 yet.
I'd think the right diesel in the right chassis could be everybit as competetive in the desert as a raptor. But Ford hasnt made that F150 yet.
That's not very clever - you should buy it and then move into it! You'd be super green and hip!
For a move would seem as the perfect time to get one if your going for it...
It's for looking good with a flatbill hat and a baggy t-shirt in BroCal.
its a diesel version of the Raptor and in 3/4ton flavor. same external bypass Fox shocks too
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/16/detroit-preview-gmc-sierra-all-terrain-hd-concept-is-ready-for/
the Ram Power Wagon is marketed as more of a rock crawler...especially since its got a electronically detachable front sway bars and front and rear lockers.
Really cause 1000 hourse sounds like it might haul ass through the desert....
I like that, a lot.you put a properly setup diesel in a chassis setup like the Raptor, then yes it will more than keep up with it.
edit: Chevy's answer to the Raptor was shown with a diesel btw.
ever heard the term power to weight ratio?
Diesels have their place, desert racing isn't really their place.
Most desert trucks spin high RPM, and need to be lightweight. Diesels don't spin fast, and they aren't light, the gas motor is still a better platform.
Going fast in the desert is not about power, its about suspension, power never hurts, but suspension is key.
Making a light truck handle well in the desert is easier than making a heavy truck handle well.
IFS + rock crawling = no-no
On the topic of people not using their truck/SUV/etc off road. Last summer I was heading to Aspen over Hagerman Pass here in Colorado. The only thing on the trail were 2 Wranglers in front of me and a jacked up Land Cruiser behind me. Its not super gnarly, but its a 4x4 trail.
2/3 of the way up the pass we saw a Toyota Corolla. How it got there I have no freaking clue. Apparently they were stuck before a big rock garden (that I went through in 4x4 low) and couldn't go back because it was too steep (4x4 but not low for me). There were mild rock gardens, creek crossings and snow drifts that they went through to get to that point that I was shocked the car got that far.
2/3 of the way up the pass we saw a Toyota Corolla. How it got there I have no freaking clue. Apparently they were stuck before a big rock garden (that I went through in 4x4 low) and couldn't go back because it was too steep (4x4 but not low for me). There were mild rock gardens, creek crossings and snow drifts that they went through to get to that point that I was shocked the car got that far.