The imagery says it all...
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Forever in our hearts... Crushing America
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Why the photo op with a floormat?
Odd, to say the least...
Odd, to say the least...
I think you can buy those at WalMart. They are made in China.
I have a friend who smokes weed, who made a point of going to the bathroom every time we ate at this certain restaraunt. His reason? The urinals had a "Say No To Drugs" urinal cake and he enjoyed pissing all over it
No N8, here is the important news. An ABC news interview with your esteemed president:
WTF??? Can't he even keep the story straight for two contiguous sentences? I suppose this might fall into the category of "If you tell a lie often enough, even you start to believe it."
So Saddam is the one who created the Kurds, Shia, and Sunnis?
Can't even tell the funking truth about a phone call!
And this man is the leader of the most powerful nation in the world? I'm embarrassed.
The issue is with the idea that the "former tyrant" (Saddam) created them.
I didn't either. Attack Israel to destabilize the Lebaneese democracy? What sense does that make? And of course there is plenty of evidence that it was Israel that attacked Lebanon in the latest mess anyhow.
i guess my question to you is: "who do you believe geographically allocated these sects?"
yeah, that was sporadically reported on 12 july, but since corrected once the dust settled.
from nytimes:
and also:
haaretz:
washpo:
UPI:
u-frikkin-n:
e-frikkin-u:
g8 summit:
the beeb:
cnn:
la casa blanca:
al-frikkin-jizzera:
robert fisk column, the independent:On Wednesday, the two Israeli soldiers were seized at about 9am (0600 GMT), across the border from Aita al-Shaab, 15km from the Mediterranean coast.
Damn, if dubyas daftness was a problem it is nothing compared to his ignorance. All the lies he's been saying are so many that he, with his daftness and ignorance, get mixed up and don't know what the truth is... On top of this he gets away with it! There should have been a revolution in that country just because it is too much and too obvious easy enough for anybody to comprehend. People should have done like the Peruvians who took to the streets and threw that Fujimori chino maricon dude out of the country.
About Lebanon, the massive destruction of infrastructure that the Israelis did was of no or little military significance. The major purpose of that was to destabilize that country.
Iraq was pretty united. I've even met a Kurd here in Sweden that called him self an Iraqi! I asked him how he could do that when Saddam had terrorized his people so much. He said his view was split since he thought Saddam had done some good things for them to.. (don't ask me what since I consider Kurdistan occupied partialy by Iraq).
I've never heard of any violence in between Shia and Sunni before the US invasion. Dunno if they married with each other, like the Yugoslavs did, eather.
About Lebanon, the massive destruction of infrastructure that the Israelis did was of no or little military significance. The major purpose of that was to destabilize that country.
Iraq was pretty united. I've even met a Kurd here in Sweden that called him self an Iraqi! I asked him how he could do that when Saddam had terrorized his people so much. He said his view was split since he thought Saddam had done some good things for them to.. (don't ask me what since I consider Kurdistan occupied partialy by Iraq).
I've never heard of any violence in between Shia and Sunni before the US invasion. Dunno if they married with each other, like the Yugoslavs did, eather.
What do you mean by this, ethnic clensing?
EDIT: Who was on whos border is not clear to me. But Hizbollah argues that since Israel is holding 300 (read that nr recently) Lebanese jailed since its occupation between 1978-2000 it has the right to exchange them two soldiers for their own people.
EDIT2: I've heard everything between 3 and 1000 Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails.
I dunno. I plead ignorance on that one. Did Saddam force people to live in one area or another? Please provide evidence.
Chicago (where I live) is one of the most segregated cities in the US, but as far as I know nobody made anyone live anywhere. People tend to like people similar to themselves and prefer to live with those similar to themselves as well.
I don't see any retractions from the sources I provided. Rather just a parroting of the mainstream spin, many of those whom, obviously support Israel. And I apologize for mentioning it, it wasn't relevant anyhow. The point was why attack Israel to hurt Lebanon?
Oh, and your Al Jazeera link is to a different story anyhow.
i know about as much on iraq history as bush, so don't think i was settin you up.
as far as the news on "who started it", i did what dude at 911timeline did: just started going through mainstream stories to see who was droppin bylines, and the name Joseph Panossian kept coming up as a tap root for a lion's share of reporting israel incurring into lebanon.
pretty good investigation here on his particular story, & how many times it was amended & translated:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0608/S00017.htm
just tryin to do some homework.
as far as the news on "who started it", i did what dude at 911timeline did: just started going through mainstream stories to see who was droppin bylines, and the name Joseph Panossian kept coming up as a tap root for a lion's share of reporting israel incurring into lebanon.
pretty good investigation here on his particular story, & how many times it was amended & translated:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0608/S00017.htm
just tryin to do some homework.
Thanks for the research. I dunno what to believe on this one. It is certainly advantageous for Israel to say that the soldiers were captured in Israel, not in Lebanon. Two sources (here and here) specifically mention the capture occurring in the town of Aita al Chaab in Lebanon. This is difficult to reconcile with a bad translation as your scoop.co.nz article suggests.
I was unable to review this site earlier since it was very NSFW, but it is clearly horrific. Nevertheless, while Saddam is a bad man and hurt his people it is clear that it was because the Kurds revolted during the Iran-Iraq war as stated in the linked article. It is difficult to believe that the US would not do the same to revolutionaries within our own borders. Maybe not with mustard gas, but with paid mercenaries, DU, white phosphorous, etc.
This massacre occured in the late 80's and now almost 20 years later none of these chemical weapons were ever located. Saddam had destroyed his chemical weapons and was cooperating with the UN inspection teams. Blix, ElBaradei and Annan all stated that more time was necessary to ensure that Iraq was complying with resolution 1441. The only reason Hans Blix left the country was because the US was coming to blow the carp out of it.
Iraq was no threat to the US, and even though we haven't killed as many Iraqis as Saddam may have (yet), we are doing it much more efficiently. Estimates are nearly 25% of Saddam's total in only 3 years. And a dead Iraqi certainly makes me neither more safe or more free.
I regret that I never played that "alll your base are belong to us" video game. Not sure how I missed it.
$tinkle, good job finding that Scoop article.
Rick, don't forgett the about 1million Iraqis that have died due to UN sanctions (I've heard of figures up to 2mil but think 1mil is more accurate).
"The world, and our nation, is shocked at the moment – this is what always happens when an honest glimpse at the reality the Bush/Limbaughians bring shows up. The fact is that the old Hitler mantra – which the Bushies follow – that the bigger, more horrible the lie the more people will deny it falls apart at some point, when truth inserts itself."
-Yup.
Rick, don't forgett the about 1million Iraqis that have died due to UN sanctions (I've heard of figures up to 2mil but think 1mil is more accurate).
"The world, and our nation, is shocked at the moment – this is what always happens when an honest glimpse at the reality the Bush/Limbaughians bring shows up. The fact is that the old Hitler mantra – which the Bushies follow – that the bigger, more horrible the lie the more people will deny it falls apart at some point, when truth inserts itself."
-Yup.
But don't "they" say that those people died because Saddam stole the money from the Oil for Food program and diverted it into his weapons of mass destruction that don't exist?
I believe that is one of the exit holes in the C or D ring.
"I don't like it when fruit punch wears tights....Fruit punch should not wear tights. Now fix that hole in my wall before my dad gets home and kicks my ass!! Oh Yeah!!?? Oh NO!!!!"