Fort William 2024 Race
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I think it was in the WynTV after finals, he interviewed Greg's mechanic. Apparently he slid out in the upper rocks causing him to go OTB off a step and land on his shoulder, which was hurt in the process. He got back on, and later in the track tried to pull for a jump and his shoulder said "nope", causing him to crash again. He was sent to Inverness for x-rays... I haven't seen any updates. That's a total bummer. I hope that's not the end for him, I'd like to see him give it one more serious go at least.
Did he crash 3 times then? Because he crashed on the inside of a non rocky berm (everyone else went wide on) on the live feed and didn't look like he knew where he was for a second when he got up.
Who? Hatton?
Where did he finish in the 2023 series overall?
Your answer might lie there.
TWENTY EIGHTH POSITION
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Yeah I'm aware it goes off World Cup points rankings but you think they could throw in Protected status for the guy who won the Champs on that course the year previously. The argument that "fans want to see" the top 10 riders from last year and then they leave out the guy who smoked everyone the year before on that track.... Half the protected riders didn't even win a race last year.
Nah.
They're two entirely separate events. One is part of a series. The other a stand alone event. World champs results are and always have been completely irrelevant to the WC series.
96% of the Male entrants didn't win a World cup round last year. including the World champ everyone apparently wanted to see. so I'm not sure why you're even bringing that up.
The rules are pretty specific. And don't have any reference to World Champs for pretty obvious reasons.
— UCI-4.11.014
Protected riders to the semi-final are:
1. riders with season long race numbers (i.e. ranked in the top 5 women elite and
the top 10 men elite of the final UCI World Cup standings of the previous season)
2. the best ranked riders from the current UCI World Cup standings, that are not
included in point 1 above, until a total of 10 women elite and 20 men elite are
reached
3. if any riders as described under 1. and 2. above do not confirm participation at an
event they will not be replaced.
— UCI-4.11.014
For the first UCI World Cup round of the season, the top 10 women elite and the top 20 men elite of the final UCI World Cup standings of the previous season are “protected” for the semi-final.
— UCI-4.11.014
They must start in the qualifying round but qualify automatically for the semi-final in any case. If the times of the protected riders are not among the 15 best times for women elite or the 60 best times for men elite, they shall be allowed to ride in the semi-final in addition to the 15 women elite and 60 men elite riders already qualified.
| .— UCI-4.11.014 Protected riders to the final are: 1. riders ranked in the top 3 women elite and top 5 men elite of the final UCI World Cup standings of the previous season 2. men and women junior riders ranked in the top 3 of the current UCI World Cup standings. At the first UCI World Cup round of the season there will be no protected junior riders. 3. If a rider is announced as retired, he is not eligible anymore as protected rider. The announcement of the retired status shall be done in writing to the UCI before 31 December of the previous year |
Starting order for the semi-finals and final will be decided on the last qualifying round. For semi-finals this means qualifying and the finals start order will be based upon the results from the semi-finals.
| — UCI-4.11.015 The start order for the semi-final, if applicable, and final will be determined on the basis of the reverse results of the last qualifying round (the fastest rider starting last), except for the protected riders (defined in art. 4.11.014) and the fastest 5 men elite and the fastest 2 women elite non-protected riders, who will start as the last group of riders by order of the last qualifying result, reversed. |
I can understand having to explain this to Avy. But not you.
He understands the rules mate.Nah.
They're two entirely separate events. One is part of a series. The other a stand alone event. World champs results are and always have been completely irrelevant to the WC series.
96% of the Male entrants didn't win a World cup round last year. including the World champ everyone apparently wanted to see. so I'm not sure why you're even bringing that up.
The rules are pretty specific. And don't have any reference to World Champs for pretty obvious reasons.
— UCI-4.11.014
Protected riders to the semi-final are:
1. riders with season long race numbers (i.e. ranked in the top 5 women elite and
the top 10 men elite of the final UCI World Cup standings of the previous season)
2. the best ranked riders from the current UCI World Cup standings, that are not
included in point 1 above, until a total of 10 women elite and 20 men elite are
reached
3. if any riders as described under 1. and 2. above do not confirm participation at an
event they will not be replaced.
— UCI-4.11.014
For the first UCI World Cup round of the season, the top 10 women elite and the top 20 men elite of the final UCI World Cup standings of the previous season are “protected” for the semi-final.
— UCI-4.11.014
They must start in the qualifying round but qualify automatically for the semi-final in any case. If the times of the protected riders are not among the 15 best times for women elite or the 60 best times for men elite, they shall be allowed to ride in the semi-final in addition to the 15 women elite and 60 men elite riders already qualified.
.— UCI-4.11.014
Protected riders to the final are:
1. riders ranked in the top 3 women elite and top 5 men elite of the final UCI World
Cup standings of the previous season
2. men and women junior riders ranked in the top 3 of the current UCI World Cup
standings. At the first UCI World Cup round of the season there will be no
protected junior riders.
3. If a rider is announced as retired, he is not eligible anymore as protected rider.
The announcement of the retired status shall be done in writing to the UCI before
31 December of the previous year
Starting order for the semi-finals and final will be decided on the last qualifying round. For semi-finals this means qualifying and the finals start order will be based upon the results from the semi-finals.
— UCI-4.11.015
The start order for the semi-final, if applicable, and final will be determined on the basis of the reverse results of the last qualifying round (the fastest rider starting last), except for the protected riders (defined in art. 4.11.014) and the fastest 5 men elite and the fastest 2 women elite non-protected riders, who will start as the last group of riders by order of the last qualifying result, reversed.
I can understand having to explain this to Avy. But not you.
I understand the damn rules. I'm saying I don't agree with them ya daft weegie haha
I'm just saying they claimed the whole premise of the "protected rider" thing was because fans want to see those riders. I'm saying geez I think there might have been a few people wanting to see the guy who beat the worlds best riders on that very track.
But you're right - rules are rules. And god forbid they're ever bent to allow for better viewing. Like that time they put a bunch of roadies in the front row at a World Champs XC race at the last minute because they bent the rules to allow it.
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Amended would be his thought train.
Ended up in an F1 factory?
And somehow you still can't get your head around the difference between a one off once a year race and a year multi race series.
Hatton was actually there you dumb fucks!
He qualified 6th
But unfortunately didn't make the cut in Semis.
Shit happens. He wasn't the only genuine contender not to make the cut. That's racing.
Read UCI rule -4.11.014 above
Hatton was actually there you dumb fucks!
He qualified 6th
But unfortunately didn't make the cut in Semis.
Shit happens. He wasn't the only genuine contender not to make the cut. That's racing.
Read UCI rule -4.11.014 above
Fuck the rules. I want to know why Hatton wasn't in the finals.
You're the dumb fuck who can't understand someone saying the rules suck not that they don't understand them
Lucky we still got to see Bernard Kerr, Laurie Greenland, Ethan Craik and Dakotah Norton who all didn't make either Qualis or Semis, but 6th place Qualifier and the last guy to Ft Bill, Charlie Hatton was ruled unable to compete because of Subsection 11c, page 442 of the French guide to sports fuckwittery
Fucks sake make. Its right there on page 43 of the handbook next to the chapter describing the drinks selection available to crit racers participating in the tandem, single-speed event. Why can't you understand that exceptions are only made in the event the athlete in question is French?!?!
Are there gluten free options?
Eat a snickers/Lion bar Gazza
he always claims the coffeine doesn‘t affect him
Laurie and Ethan weren't protected into finals either. So it's kinda amazing YOU managed to see them in finals when neither of them were there either.
Yes i agree. Im glad you ended up hyped for the DH race in the end, when you werent looking that way, as well. Bring on a new track in Poland.
yeah. How bout taking
a PROPER look into the answer of your badly loaded question .
Clue:UCI Ranking is NOT the same thing as WC overall position
And fuck off Seth. Making shit up about what people have said IRL is a sure way to a broken jaw
Cmon man, I get its a seperate event to the World Cup but they're run by the same mob and they give enough concessions (and restrictions) to the World Champions that you think they could slip them protected status as well. Woulda been good for Hatton to have made it into the big show, even just for comparison.
Happy Birthday mate
Nah its like when an old car odometer goes past 99,999. I think Gary is actually younger now.
Um,excuse me Gary? I have my Hand Up,do you see it? Thank You,if I may retort?Nah.
They're two entirely separate events. One is part of a series. The other a stand alone event. World champs results are and always have been completely irrelevant to the WC series.
96% of the Male entrants didn't win a World cup round last year. including the World champ everyone apparently wanted to see. so I'm not sure why you're even bringing that up.
The rules are pretty specific. And don't have any reference to World Champs for pretty obvious reasons.
— UCI-4.11.014
Protected riders to the semi-final are:
1. riders with season long race numbers (i.e. ranked in the top 5 women elite and
the top 10 men elite of the final UCI World Cup standings of the previous season)
2. the best ranked riders from the current UCI World Cup standings, that are not
included in point 1 above, until a total of 10 women elite and 20 men elite are
reached
3. if any riders as described under 1. and 2. above do not confirm participation at an
event they will not be replaced.
— UCI-4.11.014
For the first UCI World Cup round of the season, the top 10 women elite and the top 20 men elite of the final UCI World Cup standings of the previous season are “protected” for the semi-final.
— UCI-4.11.014
They must start in the qualifying round but qualify automatically for the semi-final in any case. If the times of the protected riders are not among the 15 best times for women elite or the 60 best times for men elite, they shall be allowed to ride in the semi-final in addition to the 15 women elite and 60 men elite riders already qualified.
.— UCI-4.11.014
Protected riders to the final are:
1. riders ranked in the top 3 women elite and top 5 men elite of the final UCI World
Cup standings of the previous season
2. men and women junior riders ranked in the top 3 of the current UCI World Cup
standings. At the first UCI World Cup round of the season there will be no
protected junior riders.
3. If a rider is announced as retired, he is not eligible anymore as protected rider.
The announcement of the retired status shall be done in writing to the UCI before
31 December of the previous year
Starting order for the semi-finals and final will be decided on the last qualifying round. For semi-finals this means qualifying and the finals start order will be based upon the results from the semi-finals.
— UCI-4.11.015
The start order for the semi-final, if applicable, and final will be determined on the basis of the reverse results of the last qualifying round (the fastest rider starting last), except for the protected riders (defined in art. 4.11.014) and the fastest 5 men elite and the fastest 2 women elite non-protected riders, who will start as the last group of riders by order of the last qualifying result, reversed.
I can understand having to explain this to Avy. But not you.
I have read all of this thread and seent my name Just at the end. I must say,I thank you for the Pro Detail Breakdown,the All world Lay Out,the Black and White Rules for the World Champ‘s. I am going to somehow save it.
Now,regarding the comment of having to explain Everything to Avy. Brother,that is what is happening with you. The Monkeys are having to explain to you. You are missing the point. Funny thing is,you Dug your heels In,even though you knew you were missing the point. Trying to spew rapture upon anyone who dare tell you otherwise. I know better.
Avy
They aren’t run by the same mob anymore. The UCI does the Worlds and WBD does the WC races. Now it’s completely separate regarding and who you work with as an organizer. The UCI doesn’t control the rules at WC races anymore. WBD makes all those decisions about semis and points all by themselves.
Wait what? This is the weirdest sports deal I have ever heard and I supervise live padel on TV. So UCI leased not only the transmission rights but also rights as a regulatory body? I can't even imagine how would that deal would look like legally.
So if shit happens WBD is held liable not UCI? UCI technical delegates are no more? Since I thought Ruaridh was still one. Not disagreeing but jesus why would also WBD do it? It's extra work and at least in my experience corporate + event organizing is always a shit show. Are the ex EWS guys they hired to do a lot of stuff doing it?
BTW. This also explains the Semi Finals - Finals thing. They want shorter finals to run them live on Eurosport. Longer finals don't fit linear TV well (I hate when Padel matches get really really long. It's not directly on me but my team but sometimes I still get calls. fuck that) and they are too stupid to realize they could just compress/not show the first 30 starters and use replays like it was done in the past. Also it's dumb they made the decision to basically prop Eurosport Linear given it's probably not live in many countries.
Avy. I understand perfectly. Charlie didn't do so well in his semi finals run. So we didn't get to see the ugly rainbow jersey in the men's final at the weekend. Boo fucking hoo. It's not the first WC race that hasn't had the current World Champion race in finals and won't be the last. Maybe one day you'll all get over it.
I'm not sure this has been mentioned but how bad are the whoop heart rate readings and showing them live seems like a horrible marketing idea. Arm based heart rate reading is notorious inaccurate, especially for HR above 160 and their sensor is supposedly not that great. I even considered them some time ago but I doubt many people will after watching this. Somehow Vali Holl has lower Heart Rate than Loic Bruni at the end of the track? Not taking a jab at Vali but nope.
Yeah if they're not using a chest HRM they're wasting their time. There's waaaay too many limitations with optical pulse measured at the wrist. Not sure its great marketing, even Gwin called them out on it a bit in the commentary.
FWIW, there is a data field you can get for Garmin devices (Heart Rate: OHR v strap difference) that lets you compare your optical reading vs the chest strap. You can see the lag in response at the wrist sensor, plus the lower reading the optical will have anytime arm pump kicks in or during intense bursts.