[dante]

Progressive showed up and kicked fox in the nads real hard, Curnutt had the technology but couldn't meet the price or production requirements so they liscenced the technology to progressive, and in turn manitou. Those two companies along with a few botique shocks like avy knocked fox from king of their niche as far as rear suspension is concerned but for the most part fox, Romic and a few others have survived. I'm not sure that any company is really dominating the market where forks are concerned and with so many different riding styles and two steertube standards I can't see any one fork just showing up and putting all the others out of the market. It's not like a fox float really competes with a RS Sid where wieght is concerned and a psylo doesn't really compete with a sherman as far as stiffness and durability are concerned, yet all of those forks sell well.

an intelligent thought process without any of the brand loyalty/hatred that's filled up 3 pages on this thread and billions of others elswhere on the web. if you don't start talking some trash about how this looks weak or you hate that product b/c 5 years ago you had something by that company that didn't meet your expectations, you're gonna be in trouble. Here, let me help you, just pick one of the following phrases:

-dooooooooood, Roch Shox sucks b/c I had a '99 boxxer and it leaked oil.
-dooooooooood, this is the 4th time Marzocchi warrantied my cracked fork, this product kicks ass!!
-don't buy a boxxer, I jumped off my house with a Psylo SL and it cracked, RS sucks
-1.5 is dumb
-Oh my god that looks soooo burly!! or Oh my good that looks so flimsy!!
-Oh my god I can't wait for the new fox fork. I just got done reading 3 pages about how the Vanilla fork sucked, but this looks soooooo cooooool!!

and if you're ever unsure of which phrase to use, just put a smiley at the end of it and people won't know whether you're being sarcastic.

dante

 

[HTFR]

I remember reading somewhere that the DH fork is a race fork. Insinuating that the lowers aren't all that burly or meant for FR abuse. This however, is a FR fork. I sure hope it'll be able to handle FR abuse. Who knows though.

You talk about DH and FR like they are different sports!!!! one your pedaling for a clock the other your pedaling for your self. people fall riding both. it ony takes one rock. allong as they arn't too thin, it should be safe.

fortherecord, that is one hot fork.

 

[binary visions]

and if you're ever unsure of which phrase to use, just put a smiley at the end of it and people won't know whether you're being sarcastic.

The one important one you forgot is:

<no matter what question is asked about a fork>
"Just buy a Monster T and suck it up. I climb 64.3 miles every day with mine. I don't even notice it, even though it's a 12lb hunk of metal bolted to my head tube."

 

[Toshi]

The one important one you forgot is:

<no matter what question is asked about a fork>
"Just buy a Monster T and suck it up. I climb 64.3 miles every day with mine. I don't even notice it, even though it's a 12lb hunk of metal bolted to my head tube."

get an old monster and it might actually be true tho -- it's certainly the cheap way to 40mm stanchions these days, barring hanebrink nonsense

 

[downhillzeypher]

How come there aren't that many 150mm+ sc forks out there? Yeah I guess you'd get dc after that, but why?

How is this better than my DJ2? Would this be good for snow resort stuff?

I donno anything about bikes, but bear with me!

 

[dante]

The one important one you forgot is:

<no matter what question is asked about a fork>
"Just buy a Monster T and suck it up. I climb 64.3 miles every day with mine. I don't even notice it, even though it's a 12lb hunk of metal bolted to my head tube."

actually, that's VERY close to my absolute, 100% favorite quote ever posted (billions of times) on message boards (more mtbr than here though).

"No, you should buy (product named here) because I bought one and it's awesome!!!"

Brings a tear to my eye everytime I read it, and double points if the product named is also incorporated into the persons screen name. Something like the following in response to a Spec. FSR question:

No, you should buy a Stinky because I bought one and it's AWESOME!!!"

 

[OGRipper]

MTB Rob, the reason I don't just get one of the current TALAS forks is because unless I'm wrong, you can only get up to 125mm. My heckler was originally set up with a vanilla 125, very sweet but I wanted more fork travel and a slacker head angle for really steep stuff, jumping, etc. For a while I road it with a 6" Boxxer race, that was really sweet, the extra inch of travel in the front end made it perfect for me riding stuff at the upper end of what the bike is built for, but it was kinda heavy, bad turning radius, and not as versatile. So, what I really want is a fairly light, single crown, adjustable at least from 5 to 6". A Z150 would be ok but even the SL is pretty heavy and although it has ECC it's not really adjustable like the TALAS. Nixon might do it but isn't that less than a full 150mm anyway? Anyway, just chiming in that it looks like the fork I want...

 

[syadasti]

actually, that's VERY close to my absolute, 100% favorite quote ever posted (billions of times) on message boards (more mtbr than here though).

"No, you should buy (product named here) because I bought one and it's awesome!!!"

Brings a tear to my eye everytime I read it, and double points if the product named is also incorporated into the persons screen name. Something like the following in response to a Spec. FSR question:

Cognitive dissonance is a common psychological phenomenon with any type of decision

 

[MTB_Rob_NC]

MTB Rob, the reason I don't just get one of the current TALAS forks is because unless I'm wrong, you can only get up to 125mm. My heckler was originally set up with a vanilla 125, very sweet but I wanted more fork travel and a slacker head angle for really steep stuff, jumping, etc. For a while I road it with a 6" Boxxer race, that was really sweet, the extra inch of travel in the front end made it perfect for me riding stuff at the upper end of what the bike is built for, but it was kinda heavy, bad turning radius, and not as versatile. So, what I really want is a fairly light, single crown, adjustable at least from 5 to 6". A Z150 would be ok but even the SL is pretty heavy and although it has ECC it's not really adjustable like the TALAS. Nixon might do it but isn't that less than a full 150mm anyway? Anyway, just chiming in that it looks like the fork I want...

Ok Good answer

 

[OGRipper]

What, no endless debate? Dammit, I'm bored. What kind of monkey are you? :mumble:

 

[MTB_Rob_NC]

What, no endless debate? Dammit, I'm bored. What kind of monkey are you? :mumble:

Damn it, sorry Your answer or a desire for a 20mm axle would have worked as well.

 

[Incubus]

You talk about DH and FR like they are different sports!!!! one your pedaling for a clock the other your pedaling for your self. people fall riding both. it ony takes one rock. allong as they arn't too thin, it should be safe.

fortherecord, that is one hot fork.

I do think they're different. More and more so every season actually. Fox must think they're different as well by making a DH fork and a FR fork. Otherwise why not call them DH dual crown and DH single crown? Certainly the number of crowns doesn't dictate if it's DH or FR.

It's entirely possible that they built their DH fork for 'racing' and as a result they *might* they might have sacrificed some strength/durability for less weight (externally butted lowers, etc.)

It's also entirely possible that they built another fork, where light weight wasn't as high a priority (even though it still appears that they have a lightweight on their hands. The lowers aren't externally butted.).

I'm aware that you can do either using whatever equipment you want. But that doesn't mean that the manufacture built it with that use in mind.

 

[OGRipper]

oh yeah, and I want a 20mm axle too. yeah.

And most important, it's got to be new. So new that I can't even get one.

Yep, that's that fork for me.

 

[MikeD]

God, please don't branch this to a DH/FR debate...it's so pointless, especially as to some, 'Freeride" means "Downhill Lite." Ie, what a lot of people just consider technical XC or trailriding (hole is getting deeper now, isn't it?) But they're talking about long-travel gear that can take some abuse but still be pedalled around.

Conversely, some people think "Freeride" is riding where you need a 9+" frame and Monster T and Profiles and lots of body piercings...riding on the ultra-huck-X-edge that weeny DH racers and their light wimpy bikes need not consider.

The use of the marketing terms is fascinating...they are used to fit whatever people want them to fit.

MD

 

[Repack]

When I said "killed", I was thinking of the fact that the shock market was already very crowded between RS, Manitou, and Fox (older FOX stuff, not new) when Prog, Curnutt, and Romic seemed to bust on to the scene without any problems. Stuff like that normally doesn't happen in a competitive market. I know that Manitou and Prog license from Curnutt.

And I almost forgot to say. The 36 will suck because the pinchbolts look like the same style as the ones my brothers friends cousin riding partner stripped on his Boxxer. Or I think thats what I heard him say.

 

[jncarpenter]

........ 'Freeride" means "Downhill Lite.".....

..........does anyone know if Fox is gonna have a DH fork that is Atkins friendly???? neaky:

 

[Bulldog]

for any other fork I'd agree, but the TALAS system is so nice, "linear" (compared to older air shocks) and "plush", it really broke the rules on air-forks...

I hate linear forks/shocks.

 

[Jm_]

I hate linear forks/shocks.

bzzt..

i said it was linear compared to air shocks..

compared to coils it's pretty nice and progressive

so i guess it's perfect for you!

 

[punkassean]

I want one with an air spring, set travel, and no lockout. 100 or 125mm options. I would cream.

dude, lets see...

•air spring, TravelAdjustableLinearAirSpring...CHECK!

•set travel, turn TALAS knob to wherever you want...CHECK!

•no lock-out, don't use the lock-out...CHECK!

...you may now commence creaming

 

[tobias]

I can not believe this!

Does nobody think this will be flexy?

 

[SuperSlow]

now why cant they make their dc fork with that color option. Much better looking imo

 

[CreeP]

I think any fork with over 5 inches and only one crown should have a 1.5 steertube. If I had my pick it it would have a 1.5 and only 3inches of travel.

 

[zedro]

doesnt the moniker "race (insert component here)" usually code for you may expect a higher than ideal maintenance requirement and lower durability, but thats ok because its a "race (thing)"....

 

[Jm_]

doesnt the moniker "race (insert component here)" usually code for you may expect a higher than ideal maintenance requirement and lower durability, but thats ok because its a "race (thing)"....

Face?

 

[darkangel]

I can not believe this!

Does nobody think this will be flexy?

Hopefully not. You would think a company with such a good reputation for quality forks would want to keep it that way, anyway they are air sprung(well lighter than coil sprung). I would not expect 36mm diameter tubes to be very flexy. As long as the steerer\crown and stanction\crown interface is sound which it should be even with 150mm sc. Everything will be peachy (i hope )

 

[fonseca]

dude, lets see...

&#8226;air spring, TravelAdjustableLinearAirSpring...CHECK!

&#8226;set travel, turn TALAS knob to wherever you want...CHECK!

&#8226;no lock-out, don't use the lock-out...CHECK!

...you may now commence creaming

&#8226;Have to send it back to Fox because you can't service TALAS yourself...CHECK!

They need a ti coil version. No need for downtime because you have to mail it back when the TALAS system craps out. That and I think coil gives a nicer ride for forks with more than 4" of travel.

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

I do think they're different. More and more so every season actually. Fox must think they're different as well by making a DH fork and a FR fork. Otherwise why not call them DH dual crown and DH single crown? Certainly the number of crowns doesn't dictate if it's DH or FR.

It's entirely possible that they built their DH fork for 'racing' and as a result they *might* they might have sacrificed some strength/durability for less weight (externally butted lowers, etc.)

It's also entirely possible that they built another fork, where light weight wasn't as high a priority (even though it still appears that they have a lightweight on their hands. The lowers aren't externally butted.).

I'm aware that you can do either using whatever equipment you want. But that doesn't mean that the manufacture built it with that use in mind.

For some reason with the popularity of the "freeride" stuff i dont see fox trying to market the DH race only crowd. Additionally almost all of the "DH race" equipment can be used as freeride stuff. I guess all i am trying to say is that its all the same we all blast our rigs down the hill wheather we are being timed or not...I think it would be marketing suicide to exclude the high profile freeride huck crowd...

 

[zedro]

...I think it would be marketing suicide to exclude the high profile freeride huck crowd...

same if the race inspired fork tends to implode for the more sloppy non-racer types who dont get sponsorship discounts. I wouldn't be surprised if more than one version was introduced either, even if that would be kinda odd marketing wise.

This is all assuming the pop-can principal off course.

 

[punkassean]

•Have to send it back to Fox because you can't service TALAS yourself...CHECK!

They need a ti coil version. No need for downtime because you have to mail it back when the TALAS system craps out. That and I think coil gives a nicer ride for forks with more than 4" of travel.

The TALAS has been hands down the best air system ever used in a fork. I beat the crap out of mine and it holds up wonderfully. Tons of people around here run them on DJ bikes and have very few issues. All of my points were made in direct regard to whatshisname's comments about it being nice, but I wish it had.....then I would cream. Well it has the features he wishes it had?

 

[Curb Hucker]

I am betting you will see many revolver DH air shocks, as well as Fox DH forx...which also happen to be coil/air.

Light weight and limitless tuning ability..mm mm good.

Ya, and White Bros is also coming out with a 7.25in travel 5.3lbs DC DH fork for next year, and its really damn nice (i dont know if i was supposed to tell about this, but meh... more publicity for them)

 

[Superdeft]

Any idea how much this is going to cost?

 

[Incubus]

now why cant they make their dc fork with that color option. Much better looking imo

I think it's brown dude. Take a look at the crowns, they're black. The lowers look like they're poo-poo colored. That'll make them difficult to find if you snap the stanchions and the lowers separate from the wheel and they land in the dirt.

 

[binary visions]

I think any fork with over 5 inches and only one crown should have a 1.5 steertube. If I had my pick it it would have a 1.5 and only 3inches of travel.

Two words: Sherman Jumper

I think more manufacturer's should offer 1.5 as an option for the long travel forks. I can see why they want the 1 1/8" as an option due to most bikes still having a 1 1/8" headtube, but more and more bikes are coming with 1.5 - especially freeride bikes.

Who knows what production will see, though - maybe a 1.5 option?? (yeah, right, but I can dream right?)

 

[The Kadvang]

I think it's brown dude. Take a look at the crowns, they're black. The lowers look like they're poo-poo colored. That'll make them difficult to find if you snap the stanchions and the lowers separate from the wheel and they land in the dirt.

You just completly ruined that fork for me. Thanks alot .

 

[Rik]

..........does anyone know if Fox is gonna have a DH fork that is Atkins friendly???? neaky:

Plenty of meat, plenty of oil, but no useless flller... sounds good...

 

[Superdeft]

I'm surprised this thread doesn't have 200+posts, people made such a stink over fox releasing such a 20mm SC fork before....

 

[MikeD]

6 pages of speculation isn't enough?

 

[The Kadvang]

6 pages of speculation isn't enough?

From one picture and a little article it was born...

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

6 pages of speculation isn't enough?

what is wrong with speculation, we are all bored all at work and all foaming at the mouth for a fork like this... :eviltongu

 

[MikeD]

Nothing's wrong with it; I just didn't find it of insufficient volume...