[bizutch]

Here's my take on the difference between the Dorado and the Monster T. First...alot more weight to turn from side to side makes the fork feel sluggish to you.

Second, all of the weight of the Monster is in the lowers! When you go to turn the wheel, you have less leverage on the mass of the fork which is down at the wheel. The Dorado, even if it weighed the same as the Monster, would still feel livelier so long as the bulk of it's weight is closer to the bike's center of gravity.

For the best example I can think of, take a broomstick and hang a milk jug on it close to your hand...maybe 6 inches away. Swing it side to side.
Now slide the milk jug out 12 inches and swing it again.

Zedro...wouldn't you think that is the issue? (be sure ot throw in some deadpan humor...it's your trademark).

 

[Salami]

Yes yes, i understand all this. The reason i want to bring the legs in IS to make them twicher and make the bike a little livlier to take away the "steering a boat" sensation.

-Matt

Your Monster is an 02 or older, correct?

Why not just use the crowns from a 03 or newer Monster? Crown offset on the 02 and older is 38mm. The 03 and newer is 34mm. All years have 175mm spacing for the stanchions.

 

[punkassean]

That's a lot of $ for only 4mm....

 

[S.G.D]

tempted to sell the dorado for this fork.



~SGD

 

[lovebunny]

how much would the fox crowns be?

 

[Salami]

That's a lot of $ for only 4mm....

Could be. But there is also a chance the Marz crowns could be found used and possibly score a deal.

We still don't know how much of a difference the Fox crowns would make assuming they even fit. It could turn out to be an equal amount. There would also be no chance of finding a set of these used right now.

 

[Cave Dweller]

Here's my take on the difference between the Dorado and the Monster T. First...alot more weight to turn from side to side makes the fork feel sluggish to you.

Second, all of the weight of the Monster is in the lowers! When you go to turn the wheel, you have less leverage on the mass of the fork which is down at the wheel. The Dorado, even if it weighed the same as the Monster, would still feel livelier so long as the bulk of it's weight is closer to the bike's center of gravity.

For the best example I can think of, take a broomstick and hang a milk jug on it close to your hand...maybe 6 inches away. Swing it side to side.
Now slide the milk jug out 12 inches and swing it again.

Zedro...wouldn't you think that is the issue? (be sure ot throw in some deadpan humor...it's your trademark).

Hmmm..... Yes and no. The livlyness i refer to is not up and down, which you would expect as the monster has alot of oil down low, but more the side to side.

The reason (i suspect) is due to the off set legs. The further the legs are offset in front of the steerer the further they need to travel to get the same turning effect and the harder it will be to turn them, this in turn is what makes them feel sluggish.

To exagerate, imagine if the legs are 1 foot in front of the steerer, can you see how much of a slug it would be to turn? Thats the issue, and can you also visualise how the fork would try to "collapse" the bike as you turn it, alot of choppers have that issue.

Not a huge problem, but my bike would ride alot better if i could bring them in to where the shivers are, say around 13mm.

Other then that the monsters are sick, they do not weigh alot more then dorados. I loved my dorados, it is just a pity that i cracked a crown and a carbon leg

 

[Ian Collins]

actually zero in this case is not a numeral but rather an adjective signifying the absence or lack of making any sense. How's that mister-not-so-smarty-pants

haha...that always happens when i try to be a wise ass...i usually get shot down...your sentence just read funny

 

[oly]

I plan on making a custom crown with holes for an integrated stem as soon as my fork lands on my door step.
Don't worry, I will make a few of them.

DIBS!

 

[OGRipper]

Hahaha, nice, zero is an adjective. That is rich. Don't listen to Zedro, he's been kind of crusty lately and is just trying to create a diversion with what sounds like a technical explanation for common usage. Now I'll probably get flamed...oh wait I'm over it.

 

[Supa8]

Fox makes yummy forks.

 

[binary visions]

Hahaha, nice, zero is an adjective. That is rich. Don't listen to Zedro, he's been kind of crusty lately and is just trying to create a diversion with what sounds like a technical explanation for common usage. Now I'll probably get flamed...oh wait I'm over it.

Main Entry: (2) zero
Function: adjective
1 a : of, relating to, or being a zero b : having no magnitude or quantity : not any <zero growth> c (1) : having no phonetic manifestation <the zero modification in the past tense of cut> (2) : having no modified inflectional form <a zero plural>

OGRipper = own3d.

 

[SuspectDevice]

I Can't beleive i'm jumping in to this bastardized thread....
Monster's handle funny because of the trail measurement, different crowns could be a nice Idea. This is what happens when you take a moto trials fork and turn it into a push-bike fork. Trials bikes are for riding slow....

 

[zedro]

Zedro...wouldn't you think that is the issue? (be sure ot throw in some deadpan humor...it's your trademark).

the Dorado has around 40mm offset (give or take from memory) so thats gonna be a much bigger factor in steering. When your steering the bars arent actually moving all that much so weight becomes pretty negligable.

i didnt realise the Monster had such a huge offset before, so Cave Dweller was pretty much right, he just didnt have the numbers to explain it.

 

[binary visions]

i didnt realise the Monster had such a huge offset before, so Cave Dweller was pretty much right, he just didnt have the numbers to explain it.

...and as we all know, if you ain't got numbers, you ain't got sh*t!

 

[zedro]

OGRipper = own3d.

some people just dont bother to research anything....

 

[UiUiUiUi]

ok only one person said it in here; so i have to say it again!

this fork is ****ing ugly!!!

it seems the fox guys have their technical stuff up there but the "design crew" should get fired!

 

[bizutch]

I'd have ot assume that the reason for their color choice was to set their fork apart on the course so that when people see it, they can better recognize it.

Ruby red boxxer is still the blinginest fork there is.

Did I mention I got my works 888 yesterday? And my '05 DHR should be here maybe the end of next week with a little surprise twist. neaky: neaky:

 

[zedro]

I'd have ot assume that the reason for their color choice was to set their fork apart on the course so that when people see it, they can better recognize it.

uh huh

"hey i saw this really bland looking fork the other day......"

i think they coulda done better

 

[kidwoo]

my '05 DHR should be here maybe the end of next week with a little surprise twist. neaky: neaky:

It's already broken?


Hey vocabulary people: So we've got crown offset plus dropout offset from the lowers, this equals total rake right? The older monsters never really felt like they had any more rake to me than any other fork. They do have a pretty big crown offset to make the thing steer, but also a relatively short dropout offset? With me? Or is the front wheel of ye ole monster really that much further in front of the bike? And what's that called if not rake?

 

[zedro]

It's already broken?


Hey vocabulary people: So we've got crown offset plus dropout offset from the lowers, this equals total rake right? The older monsters never really felt like they had any more rake to me than any other fork. They do have a pretty big crown offset to make the thing steer, but also a relatively short dropout offset? With me? Or is the front wheel of ye ole monster really that much further in front of the bike? And what's that called if not rake?

it does have alot of rake (total rake is a bit redundant, rake = total offset). Like i said above (what, you werent paying attention?) the '02 Monster has 38+27 (crown+dropout) offset, where the Shiver has 25+25, the SuperT Pro (150mm) has 15+26.5, etc...

 

[bizutch]

It's already broken?


Hey vocabulary people: So we've got crown offset plus dropout offset from the lowers, this equals total rake right? The older monsters never really felt like they had any more rake to me than any other fork. They do have a pretty big crown offset to make the thing steer, but also a relatively short dropout offset? With me? Or is the front wheel of ye ole monster really that much further in front of the bike? And what's that called if not rake?

wanna-be

 

[oly]

And my '05 DHR should be here maybe the end of next week with a little surprise twist. neaky: neaky:

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Cant wait to see..... I think you've talked to Johnny (chainwhip) about ours? neaky:

 

[kidwoo]

(what, you werent paying attention?).

You say somthin'?

I'm behind. I just picked the last page to read in this thread. It's way too long. Carry on.

Thanks for the lowdown
(again)

 

[Incubus]

uh huh

"hey i saw this really bland looking fork the other day......"

i think they coulda done better

On the other hand they might say: "Hey! I saw a DC fork the other day that wasn't black." ...immediately this fork will come to mind.

Marketing team - job well done.

 

[OGRipper]

Main Entry: (2) zero
Function: adjective
1 a : of, relating to, or being a zero b : having no magnitude or quantity : not any <zero growth> c (1) : having no phonetic manifestation <the zero modification in the past tense of cut> (2) : having no modified inflectional form <a zero plural>

OGRipper = own3d.

Heh, what's really sad about this is that I actually checked Oxford 1997 and Webster 2001 Dictionaries, got 'em right here on my desk, both show zero as a noun and a verb, not an adjective. :mumble:

So thanks Zedro but it's really "some people need better reference material."

I propose a new entry for Oxford and Webster showing "Zero" as an adjective:

"Having no magnitude or quantity. Example: Monkies who argue over definitions have zero life."

And BV, for your next homework assignment, write an essay with a technical justification for the popular use of "owned."

 

[bizutch]

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Cant wait to see..... I think you've talked to Johnny (chainwhip) about ours? neaky:

yup!