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mykel

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Apr 19, 2013
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Sure lets get into electronics when we can barely operate a business that is purely mechanical.

How about we fix the minor things first, like making something that does not creak worse than my grandma going up the stairs.
How about being able to design a damping circuit that does not need to be reinvented each year, hell, how about one that just operates correctly.

Never mind, it won't happen. This is a marketing company primarily, hardly a precision engineering outfit - Jesus H. Christos, this is a company that can not even get its lubricating fluids and greases applied in a proper or consistent manner.

meh.
 
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slimshady

¡Mira, una ardilla!
Sure lets get into electronics when we can barely operate a business that is purely mechanical.

How about we fix the minor things first, like making something that does not creak worse than my grandma going up the stairs.
How about being able to design a damping circuit that does not need to be reinvented each year, hell, how about one that just operates correctly.

Never mind, it won't happen. This is a marketing company primarily, hardly a precision engineering outfit - Jesus H. Christos, this is a company that can not even get its lubricating fluids and greases applied in a proper or consistent matter.

meh.
Could somebody please rep @mykel for me?
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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Sure lets get into electronics when we can barely operate a business that is purely mechanical.

How about we fix the minor things first, like making something that does not creak worse than my grandma going up the stairs.
How about being able to design a damping circuit that does not need to be reinvented each year, hell, how about one that just operates correctly.

Never mind, it won't happen. This is a marketing company primarily, hardly a precision engineering outfit - Jesus H. Christos, this is a company that can not even get its lubricating fluids and greases applied in a proper or consistent matter.

meh.
one of my biggest cycling related gripes isn't mtb but road..... we can make electronic self adjusting driver trains but can't come up with a better solution than fucking bar tape.
 

Flo33

Turbo Monkey
Mar 3, 2015
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one of my biggest cycling related gripes isn't mtb but road..... we can make electronic self adjusting driver trains but can't come up with a better solution than fucking bar tape.
Care to elaborate? Never had any issues with it. It's light weight, there's lots of different options, even more colours and easy to apply. What's your gripe?
 

jonKranked

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Care to elaborate? Never had any issues with it. It's light weight, there's lots of different options, even more colours and easy to apply. What's your gripe?
it fucking sucks. no, it's not *that* hard, but is a general nuisance compared to the ease of installing MTB grips.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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Sure lets get into electronics when we can barely operate a business that is purely mechanical.

How about we fix the minor things first, like making something that does not creak worse than my grandma going up the stairs.
How about being able to design a damping circuit that does not need to be reinvented each year, hell, how about one that just operates correctly.
You must be new here.
 

jonKranked

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Care to elaborate? Never had any issues with it. It's light weight, there's lots of different options, even more colours and easy to apply. What's your gripe?
also, thinking about this from a bike industry lizard perspective, your logic is flawed. nothing is ever good enough. no matter how good it is, there are always incremental gains to be had. you might need laboratory grade equipment to prove it, but it's there.
 

Bike078

Monkey
Jan 11, 2018
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With my third world salary and having just moved to 142 x 12 from qr and having sold my 2003 fs frame to some kid (he'll be the 4th owner) and reading about super boost plus and this live valve - FUCK IT, BRING IT DOWN AND BURN IT ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKING MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

jstuhlman

bagpipe wanker
Dec 3, 2009
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Cackalacka du Nord
With my third world salary and having just moved to 142 x 12 from qr and having sold my 2003 fs frame to some kid (he'll be the 4th owner) and reading about super boost plus and this live valve - FUCK IT, BRING IT DOWN AND BURN IT ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKING MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
milton waddams, is that you?
 

Bike078

Monkey
Jan 11, 2018
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Yep. But he is using only 180mm rotors.
You hardly see riding pics of him in his reviews, if I recall it's mostly their other testers in the photos.

Also,
Vitalmtb reviewer: I like the durolux rc2
Mike Kazimer of pinkbike: It's too noisy! Waaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!
 

FlipSide

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2001
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We can make fun of this newest bullshit...but we won't laugh anymore when we realize out dental care fees just increased again. :banghead:
 

Flo33

Turbo Monkey
Mar 3, 2015
2,135
1,364
Styria
it fucking sucks. no, it's not *that* hard, but is a general nuisance compared to the ease of installing MTB grips.
It is until somebody shows you how it is done and maybe guides you through it. But afterwards it's just about not being all fingers and thumbs. Even my former work colleague, an architect (which means he's an artist, but without any craftsmanship over here), managed to get it properly done himself after shown to him.

Also, if I buy a bar tape at a lbs one of the mechanics will install it for a bit of beer money - no problem.

also, thinking about this from a bike industry lizard perspective, your logic is flawed. nothing is ever good enough. no matter how good it is, there are always incremental gains to be had. you might need laboratory grade equipment to prove it, but it's there.
Logic in the bike industry? :brows:
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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I am going to skip electronic suspension and just wait for virtual reality mountain biking. We can all go in group rides together without ever leaving our computers.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
39,638
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I am going to skip electronic suspension and just wait for virtual reality mountain biking. We can all go in group rides together without ever leaving our computers.
Augmented reality riding chasing a ghost down a track, Gran Turismo-style, would actually be pretty cool. And would also lead to some wicked collisions with hikers.
 

Tantrum Cycles

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Jun 29, 2016
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OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
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NORCAL is the hizzle
When I was a shop mechanic that wasn't an acceptable excuse
When I was a mechanic I always took a certain amount of pride in a proper wrap job. Also, I shuddered whenever someone decided they didn't like bar tape and wanted these instead:

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As for Live Valve, I'll hold out judgment until I can try it. For now I still like my all-acoustic bike. That goes for shifting too, even though Di2 and e-tap are proven to work pretty damn well.
 

Tantrum Cycles

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Jun 29, 2016
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Until we have sensors that scan the terrain ahead and pre-adjust I don't see how this will capture all of the moneyz

https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/innovation/magic-body-control/
Not gonna happen. Even in the Merc, it is limited, pretty simplistic and only works up to 130 kph. With a max resolution of 3 mm. What the hell, that'll barely cover my Kamakazi speed.

And that's for a million bucks where live valve is cheap.

can you imagine the cameras trying to predict your line choice on a gnarly tech DH.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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Time for me to raise prices on my frames. Maybe slap a battery and some wires on the shock. Ask me for my leverage curve.
Just give it blue-tooth and a little light that lights up when you connect your phone. No function, just a light.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
Just give it blue-tooth and a little light that lights up when you connect your phone. No function, just a light.
LOL

Runs on an app that requires access to all your data. Yer dick pics are critical to calculating optimal damping rates.