[William42]

No frankenbrakes, but for anybody debating between the Cura 4's and code RSC's, I'm here to tell you that the Cura 4's feel like they have about twice the sponge and 8 times the power.

Will probably spend a few weekends sacrificing goats to get a good bleed on the cura 4's, or put them on my wifes bike and get a set of cura 2's for myself, which seemed way easier to bleed. Codes seem worthless (8" rotors, 29" wheel) compared to the curas.

 

[Flo33]

Maidens, not goats, maidens!

 

[toodles]

NSMB.com - Hayes Dominion A4 Brakes Ridden

These four-piston brakes combine the lightest lever action on the market, a plethora of features and top-quality manufacturing...

nsmb.com

Brief autopsy on the Hayes if anyone is interested.

 

[Happymtb.fr]

NSMB.com - Hayes Dominion A4 Brakes Ridden

These four-piston brakes combine the lightest lever action on the market, a plethora of features and top-quality manufacturing...

nsmb.com

Brief autopsy on the Hayes if anyone is interested.

Nice, but can we really trust a guy riding 4 pots brakes on a fully rigid single speed?

 

[Happymtb.fr]

I just bleed some brakes with a steel bleed block from Trickstuff like this one

Bleedblock, universal - Trickstuff-Shop

www.trickstuff-shop.de

It is really good and I will probably never bleed brake again without it. It was super easy too feel the difference between spongy / kind of firm / firm. The plastic blocks generally stop at kind of firm...
On the down side, the universal version did not fit the cheap Shimano breaks so that I could use the pin to keep the block in place. I just used a rubber band instead.
You can also easily make your own.

 

[mykel]

I just bleed some brakes with a steel bleed block from Trickstuff like this one

Bleedblock, universal - Trickstuff-Shop

www.trickstuff-shop.de

It is really good and I will probably never bleed brake again without it. It was super easy too feel the difference between spongy / kind of firm / firm. The plastic blocks generally stop at kind of firm...
On the down side, the universal version did not fit the cheap Shimano breaks so that I could use the pin to keep the block in place. I just used a rubber band instead.
You can also easily make your own.

I have measured and stacked coins to the correct size to make both bleed and piston service blocks. A bit of tape and a zip tie to make a handle, and two stacks of coins matching piston diameter (4 pot calipers) and your good to go.

 

[englertracing]

No frankenbrakes, but for anybody debating between the Cura 4's and code RSC's, I'm here to tell you that the Cura 4's feel like they have about twice the sponge and 8 times the power.

Will probably spend a few weekends sacrificing goats to get a good bleed on the cura 4's, or put them on my wifes bike and get a set of cura 2's for myself, which seemed way easier to bleed. Codes seem worthless (8" rotors, 29" wheel) compared to the curas.

No sacraficing

2Pack 200ml/cc Plastic Luer Lock Syringes with Pipe Large Capacity Needleless Injector Labs Measuring Liquid Refilling Flusher Syringe (2pcs 200cc Luer Lock Syringe): Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

2Pack 200ml/cc Plastic Luer Lock Syringes with Pipe Large Capacity Needleless Injector Labs Measuring Liquid Refilling Flusher Syringe (2pcs 200cc Luer Lock Syringe): Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

www.amazon.com

But i really feel these are the answer for the rear brake when the hose is 15 feet long.

 

[iRider]

I have measured and stacked coins to the correct size to make both bleed and piston service blocks. A bit of tape and a zip tie to make a handle, and two stacks of coins matching piston diameter (4 pot calipers) and your good to go.

I use a 10 mm Allen wrench.

 

[englertracing]

You savages dont have some aluminum plate and a mill?

Using the allen wrench is bad news for ceramic pistons

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Ceramic what?

 

[Nick]

Early to be festivus shopping for wifey, but I think they were slightly cheaper in a sale which ended today.
View attachment 138238

did these show up yet?

 

[6thElement]

did these show up yet?

Box was delivered yesterday, just checked the contents this morning.

 

[Leafy]

Goddamn it, just looked at my usual Shimano sources and none will ship to Freedomland anymore, I guess I'm putting off dumping my GX drivetrain for XT a little longer, thank's for ruining my life.

The Chinese seem to not care about these restrictions, the important parts of XT seem to be about 80% off from USA prices on aliexpress.

I like that idea of the custom piston for the shimano levers. But I think if you had a class 3 anodizing hookup the better thing to do would be to take a brand new lever and hone the bore very lightly to only take like 5 tenths off and just get the whole lever anodized whatever color you want. Actually if you use an acid based striper to strip it the paint you might not even need that hone. Then preferably turn a copy of the stock piston out of steel.

 

[Happymtb.fr]

I would put a plastic guide ring on this MC in order to take the load from the servo wave mechanism

 

[slimshady]

I would put a plastic guide ring on this MC in order to take the load from the servo wave mechanism

I was about to suggest that in the thread about the failing Shimano brakes, but couldn't remember which brand uses this. Is it Hayes in their Dominion MCs?

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Is it Hayes in their Dominion MCs?

Yes and maybe some others too

 

[maxyedor]

The Chinese seem to not care about these restrictions, the important parts of XT seem to be about 80% off from USA prices on aliexpress.

Interesting, but are they real Shimano parts? Or Shamano?

 

[Leafy]

Interesting, but are they real Shimano parts? Or Shamano?

The real deal. But being grey market factory left overs they have no warranty, or at least they're not supposed to. SRAM stuff from aliexpress generally have the serial numbers scratched off, but not shimano.

 

[maxyedor]

I think I finally got a solid bleed on my rear Cura 4, turns out it had almost as much air as fluid in the line, still worked better than most brakes though.


Anybody know of a Shimano style bleed cup that works on Formulas? My custom set up is a little bulky

 

[englertracing]

Exactly, them curas need moar volume moving through them than them baby deck syringes can push!

 

[Nick]

I think I finally got a solid bleed on my rear Cura 4, turns out it had almost as much air as fluid in the line, still worked better than most brakes though.


Anybody know of a Shimano style bleed cup that works on Formulas? My custom set up is a little bulky

I've carefully threaded my plastic shimano cup into the lever bleed port without fugging it up, but my formula bleed setup looks a lot like yours.

Ps: that's one sharp looking Egg you've got there.

 

[Bikael Molton]

Can you send a link of which listing you bought from?

The real deal. But being grey market factory left overs they have no warranty, or at least they're not supposed to. SRAM stuff from aliexpress generally have the serial numbers scratched off, but not shimano.

 

[kidwoo]

I think I finally got a solid bleed on my rear Cura 4, turns out it had almost as much air as fluid in the line, still worked better than most brakes though.


Anybody know of a Shimano style bleed cup that works on Formulas? My custom set up is a little bulky

I've been doing exactly what you have in that pic just with a way shorter hose out of the syringe so that it sits straight up and serves the same purpose as the shimano cup. Just no plug obviously.

 

[Flo33]

I've been doing exactly what you have in that pic just with a way shorter hose out of the syringe so that it sits straight up and serves the same purpose as the shimano cup. Just no plug obviously.

So you're flushing the system Marsh style? Why you no 2 syringes?

 

[maxyedor]

I've carefully threaded my plastic shimano cup into the lever bleed port without fugging it up, but my formula bleed setup looks a lot like yours.

Ps: that's one sharp looking Egg you've got there.

Actual Shimano brand bleed cup? I have 4 different off-brand ones and they're all too fat and hit the lever clamp. I doubt it's an issue with plastic threads, but I have a stainless syringe fitting for Shimano that's not the correct thread for the Formulas. I need to buy a lathe, shit was so much simpler when I could waste an entire day at work making bike parts in an effort to save $5.

All hail Rid Egg! I still fail at taking decent pics and posting a real review in the Rid Egg thread, but the thing is a magical vessel that makes me appear to be a much better rider than I actually am.

I've been doing exactly what you have in that pic just with a way shorter hose out of the syringe so that it sits straight up and serves the same purpose as the shimano cup. Just no plug obviously.

The lack of a plug doesn't really bother me, I just use a 3rd syringe to get the excess fluid out of the one I turned into a cup up top, leaks a little when you remove it, but it's mineral oil so who cares.. Thinking the thing to do is track down a syringe that accepts the hose straight off the yellow plastic fitting, as of now I only have 1 that fits those and use it at the caliper, and run a shorty hose there like you're saying.

Or buy a lathe?

Probably buy a lathe.

 

[twodogsfighting]

vetinary syringes are your best friend. I tried the marsh method but i couldn't get a decent bleed out of it.

 

[kidwoo]

So you're flushing the system Marsh style? Why you no 2 syringes?

More like shimano style.

Mostly because the formula syringes suck and the clamps don't actually seal the hoses.

 

[maxyedor]

vetinary syringes are your best friend. I tried the marsh method but i couldn't get a decent bleed out of it.

The Marsh method seems like it works fairly well to make a 95% good brake back to 100%, but if there’s trapped air it doesn’t work.

I prefer the cup on the lever, syringe on the caliper method because it never seems to fail, assuming you give it enough time to get all the tiny hidden bubbles out, which I definitely did not on the first go-around.

 

[6thElement]

My new solution for wife's DH dig.

 

[Flo33]

More like shimano style.

Mostly because the formula syringes suck and the clamps don't actually seal the hoses.

I also made the mistake of buying the Formula kit. They suck.

Also damn you all with that avatar swapping nonsense, Westy.

 

[kidwoo]

Also damn you all with that avatar swapping nonsense, Westy.

What do you mean?

 

[dovbush66]

might have been mentioned before but Sunstar-Braking are making an mtb brake. About the same price as trickstuffs (150 euro less). No reviews or anything up but they're a pretty big OEM, i wonder if they will make a more budget version at some point.

Braking IN.CA.S disc brake set LordGun online bike store

Braking IN.CA.S disc brake set from $ 730.45. Buy Brakes from Braking at LordGun: competitive prices, fast 24/48 hour shipping.

www.lordgun.com

 

[kidwoo]

might have been mentioned before but Sunstar-Braking are making an mtb brake. About the same price as trickstuffs (150 euro less). No reviews or anything up but they're a pretty big OEM, i wonder if they will make a more budget version at some point.

Braking IN.CA.S disc brake set LordGun online bike store

Braking IN.CA.S disc brake set from $ 730.45. Buy Brakes from Braking at LordGun: competitive prices, fast 24/48 hour shipping.

www.lordgun.com

Thank god they have that word on the lever so I don't forget what they're for.


And screw all the people that buy gold bike parts making companies think that's something they should make.

They look stout, that's for sure.

 

[dovbush66]

Thank god they have that word on the lever so I don't forget what they're for.

They also make clutch master cylinders so the word on the lever might be confusing

 

[chris_f]

Woo might run his mouth here on the forums, but he's secretly relieved that someone finally made brakes that said what the levers are for to avoid any confusion and probably already has these on order.

 

[Udi]

Hey @chris_f
You should post your Cura4 vs. MT7 (vs. V4 maybe) showdown once you've put a bunch of ride time on the Cura4s.

Also yes I kidwoo am relieved that someone made instructional levers, some of the scratches on my brake levers are from when I came to almost a dead stop at a middle point in the bikepark, then my hands gave way and I completely let go of the levers and grips just before the bike stopped moving and I had one of the more spectacular crashes one can have at 2km/h. Of course the only people waiting there were two chicks, staring at me in confusion. Thankfully my ego was preserved by the stabbing anguish of scratching a DRT lever for the first time.

 

[chris_f]

@Udi I absolutely plan on doing that. Things are looking good this year so I think a lot more bike park trips are in the cards. Should get some time on both systems then.

Sorry to hear about your scratched levers and ego!

 

[MikeD]

There is no way the 4-piston Magura levers compatible with the (older) 2-piston calipers, is there?

 

[kidwoo]

Also yes I kidwoo am relieved that someone made instructional levers, some of the scratches on my brake levers are from when I came to almost a dead stop at a middle point in the bikepark, then my hands gave way and I completely let go of the levers and grips just before the bike stopped moving and I had one of the more spectacular crashes one can have at 2km/h. Of course the only people waiting there were two chicks, staring at me in confusion. Thankfully my ego was preserved by the stabbing anguish of scratching a DRT lever for the first time.

Too much credit.

I trip over my own feet in the lift line.

 

[6thElement]

There is no way the 4-piston Magura levers compatible with the (older) 2-piston calipers, is there?

They might be, but given the cost of a new set of MT5's from Germany, is it even worth trying?

edit:
$200 shipped with two new 180mm rotors:

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