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Frankenbrakes and brake improvement discussion

marshalolson

Turbo Monkey
May 25, 2006
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Gotten the DHR EVO brakes up to about 10k of vert so far. Let me know if you have any specific questions.

They feel nice so far with a few caveats:
-took quite a while to full bed in. Literally 5k.
-the lever is long, so a bit of throw
-lever adjusted all the way in is more “medium” at bite point. Not for levers right at the bar riders.

But aside from that, they feel great thus far. Excited to report back at the end of the season and in about 200k of descending.
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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@HAB
Gotten the DHR EVO brakes up to about 10k of vert so far. Let me know if you have any specific questions.

They feel nice so far with a few caveats:
-took quite a while to full bed in. Literally 5k.
-the lever is long, so a bit of throw
-lever adjusted all the way in is more “medium” at bite point. Not for levers right at the bar riders.

But aside from that, they feel great thus far. Excited to report back at the end of the season and in about 200k of descending.
Thanks. If I remember right, they come with organic pads? I assume you're using the stock ones to start? It's nice that they at least use the non-finned Saint/Zee pads so good metallics are relatively easily available.

How firm does the bite point feel once you get there?
 

marshalolson

Turbo Monkey
May 25, 2006
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Yes, they have a new “blue” organic compound. I would put it inline with a shimano organic pad. Better than the old compound from what I understand. For around here, they are solid to use so far, and I will then swap to my favorite pads (EBC Red) next time. Glad for the non-finned Saint compatibility. I would put initial bite (sharpness) in line with that of the Code RSC I have ridden.

I am not missing my Shiguras so far.
 
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Lemke

Chimp
Aug 22, 2019
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I have "Shiguras" on 2 of my bikes now. My enduro rig has Zee levers, MT5 calipers, Sram speedline rotors, TruckerCo pads (don't judge, it was all I could find at the time)... no issues at all. Great power and modulation. My trail bike has SLX levers, an MT5 in the front with a 203 speedline rotor, and no issues. The rear has an MT4 caliper on a 180 rotor, and I can't seem to dial out the "soft" throw on it. I've tried shimming the pads, a Magura rotor, and nothing seems to really work. Anyone else have issue with a Shigura setup using 2 pots?
 

Happymtb.fr

Monkey
Feb 9, 2016
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SWE
Just learned something : Shimano has apparently changed the curve of their servo-wave so that there is less progression on their latest release (BL-m9120, 8120 and 7120)

This would explain why I didn't feel any difference in throw between my supposedly worn out mt500 levers and my bl-m7100 levers when switching levers on my shiguras...?
 

Jm_

Turbo Monkey
Jan 14, 2002
10,818
2,952
AK
Just learned something : Shimano has apparently changed the curve of their servo-wave so that there is less progression on their latest release (BL-m9120, 8120 and 7120)

This would explain why I didn't feel any difference in throw between my supposedly worn out mt500 levers and my bl-m7100 levers when switching levers on my shiguras...?
I have 000-series levers. It's a serious detriment to me learning wheelies on this bike, just way too grabby...and now I put an 8" rotor on the back too. I have the non-servo 9000s on my XTRs and those are much nicer for initial feel, but obviously not power.
 

englertracing

you owe me a sandwich
Mar 5, 2012
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La Verne
I have 000-series levers. It's a serious detriment to me learning wheelies on this bike, just way too grabby...and now I put an 8" rotor on the back too. I have the non-servo 9000s on my XTRs and those are much nicer for initial feel, but obviously not power.
Tip for wheelies, pull your lever till the pads are just barley dragging..... the slightest.. you'll hear them but not feel them
Keep your finger here, much easier to keep from over reacting instead of pulling through the emptiness of the servowave taking up the big pad rollback.
 

Inclag

Turbo Monkey
Sep 9, 2001
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MA
So has anyone been able to source Trickstuff Power Pads in the US or get them relatively quickly from a Euro resource??

Or conversely are there any other aftermarket pads worth a damn to be used in a Shimano system? A couple decades ago I remember EBC reds were a great replacement on Hayes systems, albeit with some really fast wear.
 

Andeh

Chimp
Mar 3, 2020
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I got several sets from one of Ze Germans pre-Covid. I've gone through 2 sets so far. They do bite a bit harder than Magura 8.P. For Maguras, the Trickstuff pads are a pain in the ass to install since they're joined. Also, because the body is painted red, the normal Magura retaining bolts don't work (too much friction), so you have to use the janky (included) cotter pins. They were fucking cheap though, about $15/set.
 

englertracing

you owe me a sandwich
Mar 5, 2012
532
260
La Verne
I got several sets from one of Ze Germans pre-Covid. I've gone through 2 sets so far. They do bite a bit harder than Magura 8.P. For Maguras, the Trickstuff pads are a pain in the ass to install since they're joined. Also, because the body is painted red, the normal Magura retaining bolts don't work (too much friction), so you have to use the janky (included) cotter pins. They were fucking cheap though, about $15/set.
Drill
 
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yeah but it only matter with the lever can it take anothe r 2 large pistons? so 1 lever to 2-4 pot brakes dual brakes would it modulate to much? it takes 6 pot ok so what about ANOTHER 2?????