Frankenbrakes and brake improvement discussion
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No idea if they're still delivering to the US, but I bought our MT7's for ~$260 per set and $20 for 203 rotors from bike-components.de and bike-discount.de MT5's are super cheap too, ~$135 per set.
edit: looks like bike discount are not, but bike components are delivering to the US for ~$40ish. Throw some tyres and pads in there and with the brake savings the postage isn't even a factor.
edit: looks like bike discount are not, but bike components are delivering to the US for ~$40ish. Throw some tyres and pads in there and with the brake savings the postage isn't even a factor.
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I'd still like to try those out. I'm a guy who likes the same brakes on all of my bikes, and has run saint m820s on the DH and trails bikes. If the Maguras solve the consistency problem, and feel good, I may have to consider making a switch.
We should pull a shuttle whore day with big bikes someplace.
trickstuff is supposedly going to start taking orders again in 12 days...... at least that website still states they should be resuming business after pausing for the restructure/expansionI'd still like to try those out. I'm a guy who likes the same brakes on all of my bikes, and has run saint m820s on the DH and trails bikes. If the Maguras solve the consistency problem, and feel good, I may have to consider making a switch.
We should pull a shuttle whore day with big bikes someplace.
I was only wondering earlier with this warm weather what Apex is like as I've not been in it for months. I was thinking about suggesting to wifey doing our self shuttle which is drive down with road bikes, pedal back up the mountain and then use the DH bikes to retrieve the car.I'd still like to try those out. I'm a guy who likes the same brakes on all of my bikes, and has run saint m820s on the DH and trails bikes. If the Maguras solve the consistency problem, and feel good, I may have to consider making a switch.
We should pull a shuttle whore day with big bikes someplace.
Open to shuttle though
Thanks guys. I have XL-XXL hands and have to run Shimano and Code levers very far inboard to 1 finger brake. It looks like the higher end Maguras have a shorter lever option.
The Codes are getting tired, and I'm looking for a stronger mineral oil brake that doesn't have Shimano issues. MT5 appear to tick all the boxes other than the odd looks/ergos.
The Codes are getting tired, and I'm looking for a stronger mineral oil brake that doesn't have Shimano issues. MT5 appear to tick all the boxes other than the odd looks/ergos.
My small hands don't like any of the Magura levers. The Saintguras are still my favorite brakes.
I thought you had weird MT5e for ebike brakes?
I have been running MT5s for a couple years and I'm always impressed with the reliability and consistency. I still feel that the ergonomics are a step behind shimano and others, but you don't need perfect ergonomics when you aren't pushing maximum effort into every braking effort. The stupid square lever blades are not comfortable, but they can be positioned where you want them. The modulation is perfect and power is great with the right pads. Back to back runs with saints and some SRAM garbage confirmed how good these are.
I do. They're just MT5's with far better stock pads that are setup with 4 independent pads for each piston similar to the MT7's....oh and the letter E is pad printed on them in a few places. Basically they are setup the way that most people that purchase stock MT5's end up configuring theirs after a month or two to maximize performance.
Interesting, I thought they came with 3 finger levers with a bell end instead of 2 finger and open stabby end
I think there are a few versions. I got mine from Merlin.
I'd strongly recommend anyone looking at regular MT5's to get these instead. They're just better out of the box.
Magura MT5 eStop Disc Brake | Merlin Cycles
Buy your Magura MT5 eStop Disc Brake at Merlin. Free worldwide delivery available on most items!
www.merlincycles.com
I *think* this is a new 2021 sku from Magura that combines the MT-5 with the shorter "HC" lever, called the MT-5 HC. I can't find it for sale anywhere, but that may just be Corona- buying bubble. There is also a Fabio Wibmer MT-5 set with the shorter levers, and his cool signature on it.
If you buy from a German store pick up some spare pads too, they have performance and race variants - I can't comment on how either feel as I don't have enough time on them. But they're a lot cheaper over there than here.I *think* this is a new 2021 sku from Magura that combines the MT-5 with the shorter "HC" lever, called the MT-5 HC. I can't find it for sale anywhere, but that may just be Corona- buying bubble. There is also a Fabio Wibmer MT-5 set with the shorter levers, and his cool signature on it.
+1 on the Trickstuff pads, they have more power than the Magura performance and race pads.
Also I've broken two levers. Once in a crash, right where the clamp screw threads into lever body, and once trying swap levers and hitting the pin that the lever rotates on too hard.
And one more also, I've found these to be difficult to get a good bleed on. Had to have a shop bleed them twice while on a trip without the tools to bleed them myself and they couldn't get it right either.
Theres a strong possibility my issues are because of my shitty mechanic skills but figured I'd throw them out there in case anyone else had similar struggles. But they do work really well and have a distinct lack of wandering bite point so those annoyances have been worth it.
Also I've broken two levers. Once in a crash, right where the clamp screw threads into lever body, and once trying swap levers and hitting the pin that the lever rotates on too hard.
And one more also, I've found these to be difficult to get a good bleed on. Had to have a shop bleed them twice while on a trip without the tools to bleed them myself and they couldn't get it right either.
Theres a strong possibility my issues are because of my shitty mechanic skills but figured I'd throw them out there in case anyone else had similar struggles. But they do work really well and have a distinct lack of wandering bite point so those annoyances have been worth it.
The question remains. Can a turd actually be polished?
Updated: Cascade Components is Developing a Brake Caliper with SRAM Internals - Pinkbike
The prototype caliper body utilizes some existing SRAM parts in order to be more easily serviceable.www.pinkbike.com
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^dgriff, they certainly require some pedantics in order to achieve a proper bleed. My shop curses me to the point where I don’t even ask them to bleed them anymore, I’ve achieved a proper technique (I don’t be ticklin or nothin) finally after much trial and error and rarely have to bleed mine anymore. Some tips:
-Make sure your lever is rotated perfectly parallel before starting
-Tap and squeeze the lever while doing the bleed
-Use the push pull method, fill the top syringe push it back to the bottom syringe
-Make sure you’re using the proper bleed blocks
-drill a hole in your top syringe toward the top. It makes for a god damn mess when you’re removing it but it allows the system to actually get bubbles out instead of just trapping them somewhere...
-Overfill the master cylinder slightly before installing the cap, seems minor but in my opinion without using the cap to press excess fluid out while sealing you are guaranteed to trap air in the system.
you’ll be surprised how many air bubbles pop up using the above technique even after already having a seemingly solid bleed, good luck.
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There is a type of MT5 called the "MT Trail Sport" that combines an MT5 front caliper, MT4 rear, and the MT5 HC lever bodies. COVID has killed free international shipping, but eventually I'll have a set on my trail bike. I would consider swapping the long lever blade from my dh bike with the shorty levers as I don't believe ergonomics are as essential when you aren't braking hard all the time....but whatever.I *think* this is a new 2021 sku from Magura that combines the MT-5 with the shorter "HC" lever, called the MT-5 HC. I can't find it for sale anywhere, but that may just be Corona- buying bubble. There is also a Fabio Wibmer MT-5 set with the shorter levers, and his cool signature on it.
I upgraded my MT5 performance pads to race compound and finally got the opportunity to use them in anger. The improvement in braking wasn't phenomenal, but power did go up and fade did go down. The place I rode isn't known for extended, high-heat braking runs, but I had no issues all day. Do note that if you buy MT5s, they will probably come with performance/comfort pads, and may not come with retaining pins, which are necessary for swapping between the dual-fixed-pad setup and the 4 individual pads. None of the aftermarket varietals appear to come with the pins. Also, all of maguras pads are at least semi-organic, so I wouldn't be surprised if you can get even more power out of a full sintered aftermarket compound. Magura believes that the organic pads keep more heat in the rotor than in the brake system, and therefore doesn't sell a full metallic setup.
fwiw-shimano pins (at least from some
M985 brakes) are compatible with magura calipers, so if you end up needing pins, it’s easy to source em pretty cheap on eBay. Even mega lightzors titanium ones!
Damn, that would have been nice to know. I spent extra on the maggie pads to get the pins that I thought I would need for aftermarket pads in the future. oh well, the race pads are great, and quiet too.
Anybody with time/experience with cheap-ass amazon brake pads? I have some XT m775 brakes on my commuter bike that were a donate/trade pair from a friend. I have a really nice bleed on them but they still have no power at all. My rotors are virtually new so that leads me to believe it's the pads, but I also don't want to spend much money on a bike I use almost specifically for riding around the block with my kids. I've had other pairs of these brakes and they weren't very good either...
I'm eyeballing these stupid things in semi-metallic: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DX5NLTD/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AX0NIODS799P5 Don't need huge power nor fade resistance, just good bite and enough power to slow myself and maybe a trailer down at the end of the sidewalk.
I'm eyeballing these stupid things in semi-metallic: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DX5NLTD/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AX0NIODS799P5 Don't need huge power nor fade resistance, just good bite and enough power to slow myself and maybe a trailer down at the end of the sidewalk.
Sounds like this could be the last pair of pads you buy for that rig given the limited use. Just get the ones you know will work rather than mess around with some cheap "stupid" shit.
I have a 29" Suntour XCR with twisted stanchions I could add to the mix...
Look, I'd like to save 10% of the cost of this bike by buying discount pads vs the real deal, but I'm not suicidal
They work at least 90% of the time?
Try some Truckerco pads so they're coming from somewhere legit
TruckerCo Disc Brake Pads shimano BR m965 m775 m800 m606 T605 m06 m07 A01s osm9 | eBay
A01S, M07, M07Ti, M07S Ashima APV and PCB, TRP Dash, Parabox ( front only ). XT M775, M776, M765 SLX M665, Hone M601, T605. Proud Sponsor of TruckerCo Posse Racing. XTR M975, M975p, M966, M965 Saint M800 Deore 2012 M596.
www.ebay.com
That's more than I can say of old hope brakes.
Thanks, that's perfect.Try some Truckerco pads so they're coming from somewhere legit
TruckerCo Disc Brake Pads shimano BR m965 m775 m800 m606 T605 m06 m07 A01s osm9 | eBay
A01S, M07, M07Ti, M07S Ashima APV and PCB, TRP Dash, Parabox ( front only ). XT M775, M776, M765 SLX M665, Hone M601, T605. Proud Sponsor of TruckerCo Posse Racing. XTR M975, M975p, M966, M965 Saint M800 Deore 2012 M596.www.ebay.com
Wow I didn’t know the Magura MCs are plastic!
Isn't it their "carbotecture" stuff? which they claim they use to make BMW motorcycle clutches out of? No opinion either way, but I've been running the MT5 for a couple of years without a bleed, or loss of power and modulation. still love em.
Actually that's not true, even if they have the same MC diameter, the total leverage is a function of both hydraulic and mechanical leverage - and if you check the spreadsheet you can clearly see that the Formula lever has lower mechanical leverage (6.14 vs. 7.36 at quick glance).
I would verify all numbers before taking the spreadsheet values as absolute fact, however if we assume the measurements as true, there will be a 16.5% (i.e. significant) reduction in peak force for your proposed combination versus the stock MT5/7.
There were a few graphs comparing the A4 with other brakes in the launch article on Pinkbike if I remember correctly. The graphs might also be somewhere in this thread...
Trickstuff Reopens With Increased Production Capacity & Some Small Product Updates - Pinkbike
Trickstuff has resumed operations after pausing day-to-day business for three months to restructure.
"can be shipped in about 12-15 months"
I can't believe I'm saying this about a Hayes product, but Dominion A4s are on the research list now...
Have you Cura4 users figured out the bleed issues? I love my Cura2s on the little bike.
Have you Cura4 users figured out the bleed issues? I love my Cura2s on the little bike.
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They're the first Hayes brake I've liked in... basically ever, but they're seriously great.