[BurlyShirley]

I have this public speaking class this semester and of course you know how leftish universities are these days, but the book for the class has got me really wondering how some people even take themselves seriously. The book is talking about how you should actively listen to another person's point of view no matter what it is in order to find a real "truth" someday down the line, cause selective listening inhibits that or something. Well, just off to the left of the paragraph about this there's a picture of some dude holding a sign that says "AIDS cures FAGS" and the caption reads: "Having an open mind does not mean listening to hateful bigotry"
And the instructor buys right in with a story about how a leader of the KKK wanted to speak at a University in Indiana or something and how it was OK that he was denied because it was for the common good or something. So, I guess my question is: Who is this decider of common good? AND should we not seriously give consideration to all ideas regardless of whether they promote something we're strongly against? In order to get the best view from all angles? Or what's the alternative? To selectively hear and totally disregard what the entire course is supposed to be about?

Whatcha think?

 

[Silver]

I say let them speak. At least that way you can walk by the speech and make a mental note of all the racist assholes who attend and avoid them...

The God hates Fags guys just kill me though...almost enough to make me wish God did exist...

edit: Welcome back, hippie

 

[chicodude]

www.godhatesfags.com


I cant believe this is a real site........

 

[BurlyShirley]

thats old as the internet chico ( and I dont mean that as a racial slur, heh!)

 

[LordOpie]

I'm fine with hate groups holding public demonstrations, but to answer your question of right and wrong...

A good starting place is not listening (allowing?) any speech or idea that encourages harming another.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

A good starting place is not listening (allowing?) any speech or idea that encourages harming another.

yup, and like KKK leaders going at it, or that AIDS cures fags sign, actually might be offensive for some people.

but the new problem is where do you draw the line on what is offensive enough, and how many offended are enough to have something banned, and what not??

 

[BurlyShirley]

Violence is one thing, but you cant SERIOUSLY expect people not to say things that are offensive in a so-called "free" country IMO. There was a time when saying a black man could date a white woman would be offensive to some, and where would we be today without Slash from Guns N' Roses?

 

[Silver]

Violence is one thing, but you cant SERIOUSLY expect people not to say things that are offensive in a so-called "free" country IMO. There was a time when saying a black man could date a white woman would be offensive to some, and where would we be today without Slash from Guns N' Roses?

I disagree with the Guns N' Roses assertion, but you're dead right about the first part.

Keep in mind, if offensive speech was banned, they'd be teaching creationism in Kansas...(and most of the blue states, I'm sure.)

 

[BurlyShirley]

I disagree with the Guns N' Roses assertion

Well, FYI, its not that Im much of a Slash fan, I just couldnt think of anyone else who was mixed.

 

[Silver]

Well, FYI, its not that Im much of a Slash fan, I just couldnt think of anyone else who was mixed.

ETSU? Don't worry, I'm not going to hold you to high musical standards. It's a step up from Skynard...

 

[BurlyShirley]

Hey man, back off, I came for the riding HONESTLY. Ill prolly finish up at UT at least. Not that that means a whole lot, but hey, Im poor and dumb...whatchu want?

 

[Silver]

Hey man, back off, I came for the riding HONESTLY. Ill prolly finish up at UT at least. Not that that means a whole lot, but hey, Im poor and dumb...whatchu want?

Hey, I'm not dissing your soon to be Alma Mater, just your taste in music.

You might be poor, but you're not dumb. Ignorant sometimes, sure, but I like to think that we are working on that...

 

[BurlyShirley]

You guys just make me think of new ways to defend my beleifs. That's good. Ive changed a bit, but I dont think Ill ever step to the left.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Hey, I'm not dissing your soon to be Alma Mater, just your taste in music..

Oh, but here's a quick fact.

When I graduated High School, I had a 1.222222222222222 GPA and was ranked 424th out of 440 in my class. Never took an exit exam and got admitted to a state university. Bwaaaaahahhahhaah. All those people who tried in HS are suckers. Once you're over 21, any school will pretty much take you. At least in Hawaiii and TN.

 

[Westy]

You guys just make me think of new ways to defend my beleifs. That's good. Ive changed a bit, but I dont think Ill ever step to the left.

I don't think you are that conservative. Take the test.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71802&page=1&pp=15

 

[BurlyShirley]

I don't think you are that conservative. Take the test.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71802&page=1&pp=15

well...

 

[Westy]

well...

Nice shot, but how tight can you keep a group.

For a hippy college student your pretty much moderate.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

well...

you are merging a lot to the left. A LOT.

when i signed up in ridemonkey i kinda pictured you in a triangle white hood, praying to Jesus every hour and going for the traditional "american" (yeah, hijacking the name of the entire continent) values and having a pic of bush, reagan, and nixon in your living room.

 

[BurlyShirley]

you are merging a lot to the left. A LOT.

when i signed up in ridemonkey i kinda pictured you in a triangle white hood, praying to Jesus every hour and going for the traditional "american" (yeah, hijacking the name of the entire continent) values and having a pic of bush, reagan, and nixon in your living room.

No, Im not merging. You just had me wrong from the start. Yes, I like Bush and Reagan and tradtional american values so to speak, BUT im no christian for sure, wasnt around for Nixon enough to care, and with history written the way it is, not sure I could get a clear view anyway, so I just kind of avoid that one. But no, Ive never been anti-minority, pro-money, anti-welfare or any of that kind of stuff, I just think what I think. Let my common sense do the deciding.
Here's a bit of ignorance Ive been dying to get off my chest though....Do you know any Sherpa's? Or is that only in Chile?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

No, Im not merging. You just had me wrong from the start. Yes, I like Bush and Reagan and tradtional american values so to speak, BUT im no christian for sure, wasnt around for Nixon enough to care, and with history written the way it is, not sure I could get a clear view anyway, so I just kind of avoid that one. But no, Ive never been anti-minority, pro-money, anti-welfare or any of that kind of stuff, I just think what I think. Let my common sense do the deciding.
Here's a bit of ignorance Ive been dying to get off my chest though....Do you know any Sherpa's? Or is that only in Chile?

hmm, what is a sherpa????? arent those the guys who do all the work when any foreigners climb the himalayas?????

 

[BurlyShirley]

hmm, what is a sherpa????? arent those the guys who do all the work when any foreigners climb the himalayas?????

uh, yeah...but they do i on them mountains down there too. What're they called again...the uh...Andes? Yeah, those. They usually have some donkeys and stuff.

 

[BurlyShirley]

SHERPA: A member of a traditionally Buddhist people of Tibetan descent living on the southern side of the Himalaya Mountains in Nepal and Sikkim. In modern times Sherpas have achieved world renown as expert guides on Himalayan mountaineering expeditions.


Well, I was wrong. Still...do you know any? I bet Ohio does. He thinks Nepalese chicks are the hottest girls on the planet cause he went there for some sandals once.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

uh, yeah...but they do i on them mountains down there too. What're they called again...the uh...Andes? Yeah, those. They usually have some donkeys and stuff.

if you like mountainering, yeah there are quite a few pikes over 20000ft around here. no donkeys go that high though.

you can get guides, but its not like sherpas, like they are not an ethnic groups per se, the guides here are just a bunch of guys who charge foreigners a crapload of money for something they would still do for 1/3 of the price.

i dont know sherpas nor guides either. hiking at those levels aint a ride in the park, and its not something am into either.

http://www.peakware.com/encyclopedia/peaks/photos/images/alpamayoss.jpg that is the entire mountain, 19500ft. the base is 6-7 hours drive from lima

 

[BurlyShirley]

No donkeys. No deal.

 

[fluff]

You guys just make me think of new ways to defend my beleifs. That's good. Ive changed a bit, but I dont think Ill ever step to the left.

I'd feel it was more worthwhile if you re-examined your beliefs rather than simply thought of new ways to defend them.

If you find on re-examination that you still believe the same things then fine, but you sound dogmatic.

 

[Westy]

No, Im not merging. You just had me wrong from the start. Yes, I like Bush and Reagan and tradtional american values so to speak, BUT im no christian for sure, wasnt around for Nixon enough to care, and with history written the way it is, not sure I could get a clear view anyway, so I just kind of avoid that one. But no, Ive never been anti-minority, pro-money, anti-welfare or any of that kind of stuff, I just think what I think. Let my common sense do the deciding.
Here's a bit of ignorance Ive been dying to get off my chest though....Do you know any Sherpa's? Or is that only in Chile?

You say you like Bush, but for whatever internet tests are worth your beleifs lie closer to Kerry's.

 

[jaydee]

As far as what is acceptable for public audiences, I think everyone should STFU and keep their opinions to themselves. If someone is strong in their beliefs or opinions, they don't need to force them on others to convince themselves they are right.

 

[ohio]

Well, I was wrong. Still...do you know any? I bet Ohio does. He thinks Nepalese chicks are the hottest girls on the planet cause he went there for some sandals once.

Don't know any. Sherpa's are only in the Sagarmatha/Everest region. I worked in the Chitwan and travelled in the Annapurna. The porters I hiked with were mostly Gurung.

And you know I only liked Nepali chicks because they are skinny and submissive.

 

[laura]

g n' r rocks

 

[Lexx D]

g n' r rocks

Amen :evil:

 

[nicklin]

i never understood why people are comparing the KKK speech and anti-gay movement as the same thing.

i mean, they are all hateful notions, but there should be some distinction between being born of a certain physical characteriastic and a man choosing to have ^&**^@! "sex" with another man. tolerance is a good thing, but tolerance of stupid things is simply stupid.

I think I have something against gay people in that I have common sense.

Oh man I'm gonna be lynched for saying this around here, but eh, it's free speech

 

[LordOpie]

I think I have something against black people in that I have common sense.

Oh man I'm gonna be lynched for saying this around here, but eh, it's free speech

"lynched", hahaha... nice play on your hateful statement.


:devil:

 

[nicklin]

"lynched", hahaha... I like to play with myself when i see that word

:devil:

man, you are bored.....

 

[Silver]

Opie, please don't make up quotes. I hate having to search a whole thread to find out if someone really said something or not.

 

[LordOpie]

Just so you all know, I don't bother reading anyone else's posts. I just come here to hear myself talk.

well, okay then.

 

[Changleen]

A good starting place is not listening (allowing?) any speech or idea that encourages harming another.

Except the Palestinians, eh Opie?

 

[Skookum]

i never understood why people are comparing the KKK speech and anti-gay movement as the same thing.

i mean, they are all hateful notions, but there should be some distinction between being born of a certain physical characteriastic and a man choosing to have ^&**^@! "sex" with another man. tolerance is a good thing, but tolerance of stupid things is simply stupid.

I think I have something against gay people in that I have common sense.

Oh man I'm gonna be lynched for saying this around here, but eh, it's free speech

i asked a pal of mine who thought that all gays "choose" to be gay. he's one of these born agains but i don't hold it against him, anyways i said unto him. Ok if you choose to be gay then that means you can brainwash "you" yourself into liking dong..... He said no it's not like that. Well then how is it like then?
Explain to me your views on how people choose this, especially when it means they'll be persecuted, demeaned, cast out, and even killed in some cases? i mean me personally i can't get myself to like dong, but especially would i not WANT to like dong in this society.
and i don't think you're gonna be lynched for what you say, even though it means your a bigot. In fact in most circles i'm sure you'll get a high five. But maybe someday one of the people you know and really like in your life will let you know that they are gay, and you know what? it might be your own brother or sister or son or daughter. The whole issue is pretty funny to me in a way because it seems to be popular to ignore or hate gay's but there are a hell of a lot of gay people in this world. Alot of people who i've known about and some that i would have never have guessed..... and if someone here takes the bait and goes on some kind of "religous justification" rant, well then have your interpratation of god explain hermaphodites. And a curious note i heard from a discussion with some educated women at a party, they told me that Jamie Lee Curtis is actually a man who never developed or something to that effect. A wierd kind of related side topic....
and besides N8 and George W. got a little somethin goin on the side, and i like N8 so just back off callin gays stupid would ya? :nuts:
i keed i keed!

As far as free speech goes, well alot of people get kicked in the jimmy, or get a grip of pepper spray in the mug for holding up signs nowadays. If free speech means a free kick in the junk or a free dose of mace in the face, well maybe i'll just pass...... i'm just not american enough i guess....
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.... i have no respect or care for the rights of groups that blatantly intend to deny this unjustly to others, even if this belief is unjust or hypocritical in and of itself.

 

[Changleen]

i never understood why people are comparing the KKK speech and anti-gay movement as the same thing.

i mean, they are all hateful notions, but there should be some distinction between being born of a certain physical characteriastic and a man choosing to have ^&**^@! "sex" with another man. tolerance is a good thing, but tolerance of stupid things is simply stupid.

I think I have something against gay people in that I have common sense.

Oh man I'm gonna be lynched for saying this around here, but eh, it's free speech

Why is Homosexuality stupid?

 

[Andyman_1970]

i never understood why people are comparing the KKK speech and anti-gay movement as the same thing.

The point of equating the two (KKK and the "anti-gay movement") is to discredit and or demonize the "anti-gay" movement. If you make them look like a bunch of hateful bigots (compairing them to the KKK, which is not accurate) then it's easier to rally more support around your cause.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

The point of equating the two (KKK and the "anti-gay movement") is to discredit and or demonize the "anti-gay" movement. If you make them look like a bunch of hateful bigots (compairing them to the KKK, which is not accurate) then it's easier to rally more support around your cause.

well actually i posted the KKK pictures because somebody said that "gun nuts" states are polite people, supporting his reasoning of "everyone with a gun makes polite citizens"

I posted the pic just to ridiculize that, since usually KKK shows of "politeness and kindness with each other" are more usual in those "gun nut" states, since the "gun nut" states were severely infected with people like that. and to point that the worldwide image of those "gun nuts" states (at least the thing by which they are reminded the most) , is that of the lynchings, mike wallace at the door of UA in the 70s, church bombings and the like. so yeah "gun nut" states do have an image of historical being "polite and kind with each other".

i didnt mean to also include anti-gays, but whatever.