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Freedom of Speech
- Thread starter RenegadeRick
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Not even dude, if you stop them here you stop them everywhere. DUH!
That was the case until God said he wanted otherwise. Did you not get the memo? You should pray more often.
'Cause I'm just a Jew I'd rather not be
'Cause they won't let me drive
Late at night I'm just a Jew,
Guess I'm some kind of freak
'Cause they all sit and stare
With their eyes
You = not too sharp, eh?
No, in fact I am really sharp.
Oh, you were under the impression that Europe has free speech. Here's a test, go to someplace like say, Germany, and try and distribute Nazi paraphenalia, or speak something that might be construed as "hate speech" anywhere in Europe, and enjoy your prison stay in the enlightened European theater.
For all the problems that the US has, we still have a considerable lead when it comes to free speech. And what Gingrich is suggesting sounds an awful lot like the hate speech laws of Europe.
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Any, i repeat, any attempt to change the constitutional right to free speach will destroy america as we know it. It's the key to all the rest.
So maybe you'd like to go into a bar in AZ and tell everyone how wonderful being gay is?
My point is there is the legal side of free speech and the practical side.
In reality, you could go nearly anywhere in Europe and start handing out Nazi flyers, and no-one would bat an eyelid. At worst you would be completely ignored. A couple of old men might tell you you have no respect. After a days or two if you stayed in the same spot, the police might come and move you on. In Germany or France you might be arrested if you were stupid enough to hang around.
Now do me a favour, pick a random town centre in the rural south, and stand on a street corner and start telling people to embrace their inner gay.
Changleen, have you ever been to the rural south? I think the "inner gay guy" would do much worse in the liberal voting inner city ghettos.
There were six lesbians at the vet clinic I worked at in Nashville. I never remember any of them saying they ever had a problem being hassled.
EDIT: And having lived in that evil red state CO, I never saw a shortage of rainbow stickers on the backs of cars anywhere.
Minor Detail on AZ
We've has been Kalifornicated. It's become quite a bit more liberal, yeah there are still the right wingers but they are slowly loosing their grip. We have a democratic govenator, my district just kicked out our 5 term republican rep for a democrat. We just defeated a gay marriage ban. And protected our property from right wing real estate developers.
You seem to be under the impression that freedom of speech means that everyone accepts your speech, and there will be no consequences from the public for your speech.
Freedom of speech deals with the government, and not having laws against your ability to say what you want, and even then you have to accept the consequences of your speech. (Ex, say fire in a crowded theater or bomb on a plane and you will be arrested for inciting panic and endangering the lives of others, if anything happens)
Nah, gay recruiting there will never work as long as there are perfectly good livestock around.
No, people don't have to agree with you.
Yes, of course. If you are persecuted or harmed for your POV, how can you possibly claim to have free speech?
That's cool. When I was living in Sedona, there was a lot of things you'd get looked at funny just for talking about. And I don't mean not buying a truck.
Persecuted by, and here is the important part, Government(or substitue Institution).No, people don't have to agree with you.Yes, of course. If you are persecuted or harmed for your POV, how can you possibly claim to have free speech?
By your definition, NO place on this planet has free speech. As I am sure I can go anywhere in this world and say something to piss someone off enough to "persecute or harm" me. And even in your definition, the US is still light years ahead of most of the world when it comes to being more free in speech.
I can't get on a plane in the USA and say I have a bomb. Government agencies will take me into custody.
So your idea that the USA has completely free speech is also wrong. Types of hate speech and certain types of pornography are also regulated in the USA.
So your idea that the USA has completely free speech is also wrong. Types of hate speech and certain types of pornography are also regulated in the USA.
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:Persecution by ANYONE is a barrier to free speech. Why is the government special? Because it suits your argument? The reality of the situation is far more important than laws which are often barely enforced.
Exactly, I'm sure you could, and these are limitations on free speech. It's a function of the tolerance of the population, nothing more.
By your definition NK or Iran have free speech, you can say what you want, you just have to 'bear the responsibility' of doing so.
If you say so.
Imagine anything that gets vb worked up...
Uh no. The government must also try to protect you from harm by others (whether they were incited by your speech or otherwise) and they are not absolved of that responsibility just because you said something.
Duh.
If I call some crip a n*****r and get shot, is the murder somehow excused because I said something offensive?
And it's the government's job to try to prevent that persecution or harm, and punish those that commit harm when the government failed to prevent it. That has nothing to do with free speech.
Again, duh.
I saw Horowitz in that article, and my eyes glazed over.
Then I read the author's description of herself:
I'm a political columnist for SFGate.com (San Francisco Chronicle online) and contributing editor to FamilySecurityMatters.org. I've also contributed to Frontpage Magazine, Campus Watch, The American Thinker, Accuracy In Media, Newsbusters, Israel National News, J-Weekly, ChronWatch, Intellectual Conservative and others. I'm a contributing blogger to Kesher Talk and a frequent guest on talk radio. My perspective is that of a former liberal turned post-9/11 conservative. CinnamonStillwell.com
I know it's bad form to criticize the source rather than the content, but there is way too much stupid crap out there and not enough time to deal with it all...
The sfgate is actively pusuing these people lately it seems.
.......to equalize the victimhood
Excerpt from definition of newt on www.thefreedictionary.com: Some are brightly colored and secrete irritating substances.
I don't know about the brightly colored bit, except maybe his gin-blossom face.
Newt got drunk and watched the Manchurian Candidate.
Dude, the US Constitution regulates the relationship between the government and the people. There are no provisions for ensuring any sort of behavior by private individuals; your employer, for example, can't violate your 1st Amendment rights. Only the government can. Your employer (or friend, or the gay-basher on the corner) can violate federal laws, but not Constitutional rights.
Actually, current Supreme Court interpetation, as I best recall, specifically states that the federal government is not legally obligated to protect individual citizens from anything. It can, and does, but is not technically required to do so. (There is, of course, still the opening for action against the government if you can prove in civil tort that the government is liable for damages, a la the 9/11 suits...)