Some of us like super twitchy steeringMornin!
Funny how much the new chain/chainring improve shifting. It's quick and precise now, no hesitation. Now, the question is, do I like the 70mm stem on the squishy bike more than the 50mm that was on there before...
Which has me thinking, why is it that all I see are < 50mm stems these days, on all sized frames, with all different rider heights. Are people just riding with shorter stems and making a performance for fit trade-off?
This sounds like the opposite of what you should be doingJust need to get timing right, and see if I can fix what's broken at work before i do.
Bikes are longer, stems are shorter.Which has me thinking, why is it that all I see are < 50mm stems these days, on all sized frames, with all different rider heights. Are people just riding with shorter stems and making a performance for fit trade-off?
Yes, but I see people at one end of the height spectrum (for the same size frame) with the same length stem as a person at the other end of the height spectrum. It used to be commonplace to see the taller rider with say a 90mm stem, and the shorter rider with a 50mm. I don't see that any longer.Bikes are longer, stems are shorter.
Because 90mm stems make bikes handle like a Buick?Yes, but I see people at one end of the height spectrum (for the same size frame) with the same length stem as a person at the other end of the height spectrum. It used to be commonplace to see the taller rider with say a 90mm stem, and the shorter rider with a 50mm. I don't see that any longer.
So the conventional wisdom of using stem length to compensate for rider height within a frame size spectrum is no longer applicable? Is the new guidance that choice of stem length is chosen solely based upon desired handling characteristics? Or have TT lengths been increased to the point where the industry has determined stems longer than 50mm are no longer required for any rider really?Because 90mm stems make bikes handle like a Buick?
In my limited experience, you should not be trying to tune frame fit by more than 10mm of stem length difference. Pick a different frame or a different handlebar height instead, do not go with longer than 55mm stems.So the conventional wisdom of using stem length to compensate for rider height within a frame size spectrum is no longer applicable? Is the new guidance that choice of stem length is chosen solely based upon desired handling characteristics? Or have TT lengths been increased to the point where the industry has determined stems longer than 50mm are no longer required for any rider really?
Yes.have TT lengths been increased to the point where the industry has determined stems longer than 50mm are no longer required for any rider really?
Jelly.I think I'll have half an enchilada today, a whole one isn't possible.
Yes, bro, DO ITIf at least one person replies to this I'm going to fuck off work this afternoon to ride
I had a broker on a old laptop bookmarked who dealt in such rarities....might have been in tennessee...hello all
i would like a Mazda Bongo Friendee kthxbye
Go with god my friend.If at least one person replies to this I'm going to fuck off work this afternoon to ride
also Fool: "say no more"If at least one person replies to this I'm going to fuck off work this afternoon to ride
long answer now that i'm not on just my phone:So the conventional wisdom of using stem length to compensate for rider height within a frame size spectrum is no longer applicable? Is the new guidance that choice of stem length is chosen solely based upon desired handling characteristics? Or have TT lengths been increased to the point where the industry has determined stems longer than 50mm are no longer required for any rider really?
I haven't followed the progression of geometry and sizing over the past decade, so I honestly don't know how that shift transpired.
This is an interesting concept, and something I'll have to explore further. Perhaps a shorter stem (I've tried 50mm and 70mm) is in my future to see what it does for my comfort level and bike handling. As someone who is always on the cusp of frame sizes, I've tended to go smaller and adjust with stem length, but the lack of success I've found in fitting my Yeti, even after 4 years, may be due to outdated ideas how what to adjust and when.long answer now that i'm not on just my phone:
stem length impacts both handling characteristics (steering) of the bike as well as ergonomics. stem length used to be more important for fit because geometry sucked and bikes were too short. nowadays bike geometry is MUCH more sorted, ergonomics of the frames themselves are vastly improved - as well as sizing (including larger frame sizes for people who would historically need a 80mm stem or longer) so stem length now is mostly just to get steering handling dialed.
also mountain bikes no longer have road bike geometry.
I have a small collection of stems, you can try a few sizes the next time we ride.This is an interesting concept, and something I'll have to explore further. Perhaps a shorter stem (I've tried 50mm and 70mm) is in my future to see what it does for my comfort level and bike handling. As someone who is always on the cusp of frame sizes, I've tended to go smaller and adjust with stem length, but the lack of success I've found in fitting my Yeti, even after 4 years, may be due to outdated ideas how what to adjust and when.
Time to order a 30mm stem and see what happens. Maybe an I9 318?
i wouldn't go that short on stem length. general rule is you want something about the length of your fork offset or slightly longer.This is an interesting concept, and something I'll have to explore further. Perhaps a shorter stem (I've tried 50mm and 70mm) is in my future to see what it does for my comfort level and bike handling. As someone who is always on the cusp of frame sizes, I've tended to go smaller and adjust with stem length, but the lack of success I've found in fitting my Yeti, even after 4 years, may be due to outdated ideas how what to adjust and when.
Time to order a 30mm stem and see what happens. Maybe an I9 318?
I got rid of my Yeti because I too was between sizes and went smaller, could never get it to feel right. Actually the best thing I did was put an eccentric BB in there and added 7mm to the reach and shortened up the chainstays.This is an interesting concept, and something I'll have to explore further. Perhaps a shorter stem (I've tried 50mm and 70mm) is in my future to see what it does for my comfort level and bike handling. As someone who is always on the cusp of frame sizes, I've tended to go smaller and adjust with stem length, but the lack of success I've found in fitting my Yeti, even after 4 years, may be due to outdated ideas how what to adjust and when.
Time to order a 30mm stem and see what happens. Maybe an I9 318?
I'm gonna send your wife a Power Trip record.So Wifey, after a fucking year, has decided to finally start using her Echelon and doing classes. This morning she decided to do one to rock music and discovered "go fast music".
Rise Against - Savior
Not the most aggressive by any means, but she just busted into my office, eyes wide open, to tell me about it. It's like "Yes honey. Now do you understand why I like punk and metal? The beat and cadence are 100%, all the time, go fast music."