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4xBoy

Turbo Monkey
Jun 20, 2006
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Carter gave Panama control of the canal, then he had the audacity to die and make the flag fly at half staff for the inauguration.

All signs point to dems. doing everything to make Donnie look bad.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
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This right here is exactly why I didn't do anything when you asked who messed with your custom title.

You're a troll of the highest order.
Sorry, I'm kinda of new to all this Millennial/Gen Z melting point. So apparently your definition of a troll is someone who questions your beliefs/opinions and fails to agree & see it your way. Seems a few have a difficult time accepting another opinion being it right or wrong.

So please help me better understand. Why is it a bad thing that Facebook stopped censoring? Government telling you what you can & can't hear is a little scary. Sounds a bit communistic to me, or is that the way you prefer it?
 

Montana rider

Tom Sawyer
Mar 14, 2005
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Let me google that for you:


Misinformation is false or inaccurate information—getting the facts wrong. Disinformation is false information which is deliberately intended to mislead—intentionally misstating the facts.

The spread of misinformation and disinformation has affected our ability to improve public health, address climate change, maintain a stable democracy, and more.
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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So apparently your definition of a troll is someone who questions your beliefs/opinions and fails to agree & see it your way.
No. My definition of a troll is someone who posts wildly inflammatory and false things without backing them up in any way.

For example:
withholding potential life threatening side effects from the vaccine itself
Cite your fucking (legitimate, scientific, peer-reviewed) sources, or accept your status as a troll.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,275
396
Bay Area, California
No. My definition of a troll is someone who posts wildly inflammatory and false things without backing them up in any way.

For example:


Cite your fucking (legitimate, scientific, peer-reviewed) sources, or accept your status as a troll.
If I didn’t have to visit the Cardiologist after my 3rd shot & diagnosed with Myocarditis I probaly wouldn’t have looked further into it.


 

Inclag

Turbo Monkey
Sep 9, 2001
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MA
If I didn’t have to visit the Cardiologist after my 3rd shot & diagnosed with Myocarditis I probaly wouldn’t have looked further into it.


Are you an SME with respect to the drug development/regulatory approval process? A simple yes or no is sufficient.

A couple more follow up questions.

Are you aware of the risks and incidence rate of Myocarditis as a result of Sars-Covid-2 infection? Below is an image. Take a close look. Plenty of other studies along with clinical data used for regulatory approvals and post market surveillance data all come to similar conclusions.

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Lastly, are you aware of the risk based approaches and the clinical risk-benefit analyses used in making decisions to release drugs for public use?

It would be helpful if you could be more specific with what you would like to see handled differently with respect to drug development and the approval process along with the post market surveillance.

Individuals have the right to not take a vaccine if they so choose by in large. Sure, there may be edge cases where government employees or private employers may mandate or be mandated to take a vaccine under extreme circumstances (like what we all lived through in 2019), but even in these cases, individuals had the freedom to seek other employment.

Do you feel that the public benefit of vaccines do not outweigh the risks and if so, why not?
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding past the morgue.
Are you an SME with respect to the drug development/regulatory approval process? A simple yes or no is sufficient.

A couple more follow up questions.

Are you aware of the risks and incidence rate of Myocarditis as a result of Sars-Covid-2 infection? Below is an image. Take a close look. Plenty of other studies along with clinical data used for regulatory approvals and post market surveillance data all come to similar conclusions.

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Source:

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Lastly, are you aware of the risk based approaches and the clinical risk-benefit analyses used in making decisions to release drugs for public use?

It would be helpful if you could be more specific with what you would like to see handled differently with respect to drug development and the approval process along with the post market surveillance.

Individuals have the right to not take a vaccine if they so choose by in large. Sure, there may be edge cases where government employees or private employers may mandate or be mandated to take a vaccine under extreme circumstances (like what we all lived through in 2019), but even in these cases, individuals had the freedom to seek other employment.

Do you feel that the public benefit of vaccines do not outweigh the risks and if so, why not?
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SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
68,293
14,471
In a van.... down by the river
Are you an SME with respect to the drug development/regulatory approval process? A simple yes or no is sufficient.

A couple more follow up questions.

Are you aware of the risks and incidence rate of Myocarditis as a result of Sars-Covid-2 infection? Below is an image. Take a close look. Plenty of other studies along with clinical data used for regulatory approvals and post market surveillance data all come to similar conclusions.

View attachment 224493
Source:

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Lastly, are you aware of the risk based approaches and the clinical risk-benefit analyses used in making decisions to release drugs for public use?

It would be helpful if you could be more specific with what you would like to see handled differently with respect to drug development and the approval process along with the post market surveillance.

Individuals have the right to not take a vaccine if they so choose by in large. Sure, there may be edge cases where government employees or private employers may mandate or be mandated to take a vaccine under extreme circumstances (like what we all lived through in 2019), but even in these cases, individuals had the freedom to seek other employment.

Do you feel that the public benefit of vaccines do not outweigh the risks and if so, why not?
Oh, my sweet summer child... :D
 

ALEXIS_DH

Tirelessly Awesome
Jan 30, 2003
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869
Lima, Peru, Peru
Sorry, I'm kinda of new to all this Millennial/Gen Z melting point. So apparently your definition of a troll is someone who questions your beliefs/opinions and fails to agree & see it your way. Seems a few have a difficult time accepting another opinion being it right or wrong.

So please help me better understand. Why is it a bad thing that Facebook stopped censoring? Government telling you what you can & can't hear is a little scary. Sounds a bit communistic to me, or is that the way you prefer it?
Yeah, it should be legal to falsely scream "fire!" On a packed theather without lights.
If people die in the stampede, its because they didnt do their research.
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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NC
If I didn’t have to visit the Cardiologist after my 3rd shot & diagnosed with Myocarditis I probaly wouldn’t have looked further into it.


One of the reasons I asked is because I knew there would be some kind of hand-wavvy nonsense like this. The existence of a side effect, especially one that is known to be generally mild and self-resolving, and is published in medical journals, is not:
withholding potential life threatening side effects from the vaccine itself
For example, myocarditis after a vaccine was found to be less severe than other forms of myocarditis, including myocarditis that is a result of actually, you know, contracting the disease you were vaccinated against. It's a side effect of other vaccines, mostly attenuated virus vaccines, but is generally rare and self-resolving. In addition, most vaccine-related myocarditis is with diseases that have myocarditis as an effect, and the vaccine-induced experience is less severe than what is caused by the disease. Also of note that my partner has a PhD in immunology so (thanks to her guidance) I'm very well versed in the real science here, not just the headlines of Fox News.

So yes. Trolling. This is a perfect, crystalized example of trolling, in fact. Something with a seed of truth (the existence of a vaccine side effect) that's presented in a wild, inflammatory and factually incorrect way.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,275
396
Bay Area, California
One of the reasons I asked is because I knew there would be some kind of hand-wavvy nonsense like this. The existence of a side effect, especially one that is known to be generally mild and self-resolving, and is published in medical journals, is not:


For example, myocarditis after a vaccine was found to be less severe than other forms of myocarditis, including myocarditis that is a result of actually, you know, contracting the disease you were vaccinated against. It's a side effect of other vaccines, mostly attenuated virus vaccines, but is generally rare and self-resolving. In addition, most vaccine-related myocarditis is with diseases that have myocarditis as an effect, and the vaccine-induced experience is less severe than what is caused by the disease. Also of note that my partner has a PhD in immunology so (thanks to her guidance) I'm very well versed in the real science here, not just the headlines of Fox News.

So yes. Trolling. This is a perfect, crystalized example of trolling, in fact. Something with a seed of truth (the existence of a vaccine side effect) that's presented in a wild, inflammatory and factually incorrect way.
If I didn't personally experience severe health issues first hand I probably wouldn't have thought anything about it. However I did, then you start to see high school athletes drop dead while playing sports will kind of make you wonder is this a side effect? So it's just a question I have, and should be able to be openly asked without pushback. Health records are kept private so there is no way of knowing if this could have been a potential cause. If it is, big pharma doesn't want you to know this. Again, I'm not anti vaccine but one has to wonder why the rise in Autism as well as food allergies that rarely existed while I was growing up, so what is really going on? This is not trolling, just asking a question and trying to have a discussion.
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
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kind of make you wonder
just a question
no way of knowing
big pharma doesn't want you to know
one has to wonder
just asking a question
Scientists study all of these things. You literally linked to how you can know the answers to your questions. You made a big, inflammatory comment on a topic that has been studied repeatedly - seriously, there are dozens of papers on this that you can read - and then retreat behind "I'm just askin' questions here."

You talk about vaccines and Autism whose link has been thoroughly and completely debunked in perhaps the most widely examined fraud in recent scientific history. A variety of labs attempted to reproduce the originally published findings and could not, they found millions of dollars in undisclosed conflicts of interest, did a full investigation into his research and found wild misconduct and falsified data, and stripped Wakefield's medical license. There have been few scientists in history who have been as thoroughly and completely studied, and subsequently dismantled, as Andrew Wakefield. There have been books written about his fraud. And you're sitting here hand-waving around with "one has to wonder."

It's bullshit and it's trolling. If you were legitimately and genuinely asking questions, then when multiple people provide comprehensive and peer-reviewed data which refutes it, you would happily say "whoops, I guess I was wrong on this one. Thanks for correcting me."

But you don't, because - just like Trump - you are not interested in the facts. You are interested in casting aspersions, seeding doubt and/or supporting your own preconceived ideas.

Troll.
 
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SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
68,293
14,471
In a van.... down by the river
Scientists study all of these things. You literally linked to how you can know the answers to your questions. You made a big, inflammatory comment on a topic that has been studied repeatedly - seriously, there are dozens of papers on this that you can read - and then retreat behind "I'm just askin' questions here."

You talk about vaccines and Autism whose link has been thoroughly and completely debunked in perhaps the most widely examined fraud in recent scientific history. A variety of labs attempted to reproduce the originally published findings and could not, they found millions of dollars in undisclosed conflicts of interest, did a full investigation into his research and found wild misconduct and falsified data, and stripped Wakefield's medical license. There have been few scientists in history who have been as thoroughly and completely studied, and subsequently dismantled, as Andrew Wakefield. There have been books written about his fraud. And you're sitting here hand-waving around with "one has to wonder."

It's bullshit and it's trolling. If you were legitimately and genuinely asking questions, then when multiple people provide comprehensive and peer-reviewed data which refutes it, you would happily say "whoops, I guess I was wrong on this one. Thanks for correcting me."

But you don't, because - just like Trump - you are not interested in the facts. You are interested in casting aspersions, seeding doubt and/or supporting your own preconceived ideas.

Troll.
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