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daisycutter

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most likely not but every little bit helps. We just need too get out of there.

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WASHINGTON (AFP) – It looks and acts like something best left in the hands of Sylvester Stallone's "Rambo," but this latest dream weapon is real -- and the US Army sees it becoming the Taliban's worst nightmare.
The Pentagon has rolled out prototypes of its first-ever programmable "smart" grenade launcher, a shoulder-fired weapon that uses microchipped ammunition to target and kill the enemy, even when the enemy is hidden behind walls or other cover.
Click image to see photos of the XM25 weapon system


AFP/Army Handout
After years of development, the XM25 Counter Defilade Target Engagement System, about the size of a regular rifle, has now been deployed to US units on the battlefields of Afghanistan, where the Army expects it to be a "game-changer" in its counterinsurgency operations.
"For well over a week, it's been actively on patrols, and in various combat outposts in areas that are hot," said Lieutenant Colonel Chris Lehner, program manager for the XM25.
The gun's stats are formidable: it fires 25mm air-bursting shells up to 2,300 feet (700 meters), well past the range of most rifles used by today's soldiers, and programs them to explode at a precise distance, allowing troops to neutralize insurgents hiding behind walls, rocks or trenches or inside buildings.
[With Afghan control by 2014, Obama sees combat end]
"This is the first time we're putting smart technology into the hands of the individual soldier," Lehner told AFP in a telephone interview.
"It's giving them the edge," he said, in the harsh Afghan landscape where Islamist extremists have vexed US troops using centuries-old techniques of popping up from behind cover to engage.
"You get behind something when someone is shooting at you, and that sort of cover has protected people for thousands of years," Lehner said.
"Now we're taking that away from the enemy forever."
PEO Soldier says studies show the XM25 is 300 percent more effective than current weapons at the squad level.
The revolutionary advance involves an array of sights, sensors and lasers that reads the distance to the target, assesses elements such as air pressure, temperature, and ballistics and then sends that data to the microchip embedded in the XM25 shell before it is launched.
Previous grenade launchers needed to arc their shells over cover and land near the target to be effective.
[U.S.: Special forces operations down by half in Iraq]
"It takes out a lot of the variables that soldiers have to contemplate and even guess at," Lehner said.
If, for example, an enemy combatant pops up from behind a wall to fire at US troops and then ducks behind it, an XM25 gunner can aim the laser range finder at the top of the wall, then program the shell to detonate one meter beyond it, showering lethal fragmentation where the insurgent is seeking cover.
Use of the XM25 can slash civilian deaths and damage, the Army argues, because its pinpointed firepower offers far less risk than larger mortars or air strikes.
The result, the Army says, is "very limited collateral damage."
The Pentagon plans to purchase at least 12,500 of the guns -- at a price tag of 25,000 to 30,000 dollars each -- beginning next year, enough for one in each Infantry squad and Special Forces team.
Lehner said the XM25 was special in that it requires comparatively little training, because the high-powered technology does so much of the work.
"This system is turning soldiers with average shooting skills into those with phenomenal shooting skills," he said.
 

IH8Rice

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been following this rifle for a while. should be interesting if it loses it's "X" moniker and actually gets full deployment
 

MikeD

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Game-changer. Might be good. Needs batteries. Might be bad. Lots of complicated electronics. Might also be really bad at times.

But hey, the radio you need to call in mortars or air needs batteries too, I guess.

Carrying one or two per squad or team as auxiliary weapons might not be a bad idea. Wonder how much it and the ammo weigh.

Must be a different 25mm round than the Bushmaster fires; I can't imagine a human being able to deal with the recoil that'd deliver.
 

IH8Rice

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Must be a different 25mm round than the Bushmaster fires; I can't imagine a human being able to deal with the recoil that'd deliver.
i lol'd thinking of that actually happening.


the rifle itself is around 12lbs and the 25mm rounds arent that heavy, plus it purportedly 300-500% more accurate than the M203.
should be a great addition to a squad, especially in the theater its deployed in.

its too bad the XM8 OICW got canned too
 
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ohio

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You know what would be a game changer? Not engaging in a ground war against a native combatant, with an infinite recruiting network, ideologically committed to winning or dying.

Seriously, while cool, this weapon doesn't change the game at all. It gives us a slight, new advantage in the existing game. Same old thinking, that more spending and more technology will solve all of our military problems...
 

jimmydean

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With enough money and enough troops, you can win anything. Too bad we seem to be running low on both at the moment.
 

DaveW

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You know what would be a game changer? Not engaging in a ground war against a native combatant, with an infinite recruiting network, ideologically committed to winning or dying.
And the with the Afghans low level warfare is damn nearly genetically encoded in them after doing it for the better part of a thousand years.
 

dante

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With enough money and enough troops, you can win anything. Too bad we seem to be running low on both at the moment.
You can "win" a war, but maintaining that win is a bit harder. You need the willpower to do things that others might find.... uncivilized. I'm particularly thinking of a Cartheginian-style "sell the inhabitants into slavery and salt the earth" type of action. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to subdue a populace purely by force, especially in this day and age (I'm thinking of Chechnia, Ireland, ETA in Spain, Afghanistan for both USSR and us, Tamil Tigers in Shri Lanka, etc).
 
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jimmydean

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You can "win" a war, but maintaining that win is a bit harder. You need the willpower to do things that others might find.... uncivilized. I'm particularly thinking of a Cartheginian-style "sell the inhabitants into slavery and salt the earth" type of action. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to subdue a populace purely by force, especially in this day and age (I'm thinking of Chechnia, Ireland, ETA in Spain, Afghanistan for both USSR and us, Tamil Tigers in Shri Lanka, etc).
All you need is a war ship and a banner.

 

stoney

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You can "win" a war, but maintaining that win is a bit harder. You need the willpower to do things that others might find.... uncivilized. I'm particularly thinking of a Cartheginian-style "sell the inhabitants into slavery and salt the earth" type of action. Otherwise it's virtually impossible to subdue a populace purely by force, especially in this day and age (I'm thinking of Chechnia, Ireland, ETA in Spain, Afghanistan for both USSR and us, Tamil Tigers in Shri Lanka, etc).
I say we bring in the Javelin's and just raze the place. Turn it into a plain, then they have no caves to hide in.:thumb: