gas at $20/gallon
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great idea! what's NYC's growing season again?
how do you propose to generate electricity to run water and sewage pumps etc?
It's no longer called "supply & demand". It's now "supply & Command" He Who supplies, commands the price. The demand will always be there for those in command...
I will have to agree...whenever I talk to anyone older than me about it they have a seriously unrealistic view of the current situation at hand...D
I blame Fox News
they just see thru your inexperience and gullibility?
What's really driving the cost of oil? the devaluation of the dollar and the poor credit rating of the US:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/2008/05/mounting-pressure-monday.html
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/2008/05/mounting-pressure-monday.html
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Traffic stress is one of the most compelling, least known benefits to ride the bus in many cities. No how bad traffic is I just close my eyes, turn on the ipod and relax. The Rapid (a commuter bus) gets me home as fast as I could drive, and sometimes faster.i am so with you. even if the commuter bus takes 20-30 min longer than driving straight through, not having to deal with the other idiots on the road or with parking if heading to downtown makes it totally worth it. well, not paying for gas makes it worth it, and the lowered stress is icing on the cake...
now think about what you said to start the thread... now if fuel is at 20bucks a gallon and you want "nice" sidewalk or a "dedicted bike path" how would it possibly maintained at that price for fuel? what your saying is absolutely foolish.... stupid hippies...
Canada pays more for gas because of higher gas taxes and per capita Canadians own more guns than Americans....read up instead of just making ignorant blanket statements...DYou suckers up there in Victoria already get reamed in the butt for fuel. I know because i was up there visiting some friends in 2006.
So basically you would like to see us fat Americans pay out the nose for gas too;& be all artsy,laidback pot smokers without owning a pocket knife,sword,guns,ammo or any of that,EH !
Do us a favor & stay in Canada! Don't cast your philosophy of living to us Americans either.
I'm not down with the U.N's global hippy commune,commie,weapons free,robe wearing agenda! Toughen up dude!
Go catch that serial killer dude!
You sure about that, Champ? http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Cda-US.htm A little old but there is no chance canada's ammount of fire arms has grown by this much in the period of time. Maybe you should read up before making ignorant statements..
how would bike paths be maintained? perhaps we wouldn't clean off the sidewalk by dissolving bubble gum with gasoline...
what's your point, that bike path maintenance would be impossible if energy costs were higher? how do all the european countries manage? for that matter, if rising energy costs caused more bikers to take to the streets (with correspondingly less in cars) why couldn't a portion of the road maintenance excise tax be used to maintain pathways for the new road users?
oh, the words you're looking for are "dedicated" and "you're". you may recall your fourth grade teacher telling you that "your" and "you're" are different words. on second thought, you probably don't recall that. scratch that.
lol...maybe you should find some stats that are a little more recent like 2006...right before I moved here I did some exhaustive crime searching...it's one of the reasons I moved here....but you keep trolling since you're so good at it....D
You suckers up there in Victoria already get reamed in the butt for fuel. I know because i was up there visiting some friends in 2006.
So basically you would like to see us fat Americans pay out the nose for gas too;& be all artsy,laidback pot smokers without owning a pocket knife,sword,guns,ammo or any of that,EH !
Do us a favor & stay in Canada! Don't cast your philosophy of living to us Americans either.
I'm not down with the U.N's global hippy commune,commie,weapons free,robe wearing agenda! Toughen up dude!
Go catch that serial killer dude!
A little old but an article by Kunstler in the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/23/AR2008052302456.html
I've read some of his books most recently the novel World Made By Hand. He has some very Interesting points and more than a few things he says make sense.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/23/AR2008052302456.html
I've read some of his books most recently the novel World Made By Hand. He has some very Interesting points and more than a few things he says make sense.
Nice article.
Reminds me a bit of "The End of Nature" by Bill Mckibben. Scary thing is that he was saying the same things almost 20 years ago... and hell, to some extent, Thomas Jefferson was against urbanization and the industrial revolution for reasons which are only now beginning to really apply.
good article. while I agree with his premises and general conclusion that lifestyle changes are needed and that no magic bullet exists, I'm not sold on anti-urbanization. last I read (via Cell mag and MIT Tech Review) big cities are more energy efficient per capita than any other arrangement. how much of this efficiency is predicated on cheap energy and transport I do not know.
Maybe you should find some more recent stats becasue your so smart. When you moved there you did some crime searching. What a loser.. Im so good at trolling please..tell me more.
As much as I hate going to semi-local NYC, when I am up there I do enjoy that many people walk, bike or use the subway/bus. I think what Kunstler means moslty is the large use of multi-level buildings and no agriculture close-by. If you need to take an elevator a building is too tall in his mind which makes visual and functional sense too. And I think there was much more argiculture here in NJ and Long Island that could support that need back a few decades but that's been changed too.
I think his thoughts on rail use are very interesting. Air travel has become more fustrating in so many ways over the years and will be limited in the future (which I think is a good thing).
sorry must obey the sign
Well where is the recent stats?
Maybe I'm misreading this but it looks like the US is the clear leader per capita.
Page 47
http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/files/sas/publications/year_b_pdf/2007/CH2 Stockpiles.pdf
BMX Man It seems you have been proven wrong? Maybe you should not make such dumb statments if you dont know your $hit.
an article on CNN money about Matt Simmons, a houston oil analyst and venture capitalist who not only agrees with me about $20/gal gas and lifestyle changes that must be made, but also supports Obama over McCain for energy policies. a good read.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/15/news/economy/500dollaroil_okeefe.fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/15/news/economy/500dollaroil_okeefe.fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes
CNN.com/money said:
"Simmons believes that a radical change in the way we live is inevitable. "We should basically be going back to creating a village economy, so that we really reduce the energy intensity of how we live," he says. "We need bigtime conservation, not feel-good conservation. Make things where they're used. You'll end long-distance commuting, and we have the tools to do that now with webcams. Grow food locally. Grow food in your backyard. If they're not commuting, people will have time to do that."
Never.
Not gonna happen.
Ever.
"For the record, Simmons has been advocating more drilling off the coast of the United States since the early 1990s, but now he says that treating it as our salvation is misguided. "I'm not saying we shouldn't do it," says Simmons. "We should, and the sooner the better. But we shouldn't think that it'll have any impact for a decade or two." The exception, he says, is the reservoir in the hotly debated Arctic National Wildlife Reserve. "ANWR," he says, "is the only place that we could drill right now and it might actually make a difference in a year or two."
Perhaps McCain, along with everyone else, sees it as a temporary fix just like he does?
Never.
Not gonna happen.
Ever.
"For the record, Simmons has been advocating more drilling off the coast of the United States since the early 1990s, but now he says that treating it as our salvation is misguided. "I'm not saying we shouldn't do it," says Simmons. "We should, and the sooner the better. But we shouldn't think that it'll have any impact for a decade or two." The exception, he says, is the reservoir in the hotly debated Arctic National Wildlife Reserve. "ANWR," he says, "is the only place that we could drill right now and it might actually make a difference in a year or two."
Perhaps McCain, along with everyone else, sees it as a temporary fix just like he does?
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Make gas prices rocket, and we will be forced to use alternate sources.
Since we already have the alternate sources of energy, it's going to bring huge headaches at first - big inconvenience for all of us with gas or diesel cars/trucks.
There will be many many other problems with prices rocketing... but something has got to give, and we must do the right thing: stop what ever we are doing.
Do I want to see 20 bucks a gallon? Frankly, no.
Do we all like quick changes? no.
Again, something has got to give. It's not going to be pleasant.
Since we already have the alternate sources of energy, it's going to bring huge headaches at first - big inconvenience for all of us with gas or diesel cars/trucks.
There will be many many other problems with prices rocketing... but something has got to give, and we must do the right thing: stop what ever we are doing.
Do I want to see 20 bucks a gallon? Frankly, no.
Do we all like quick changes? no.
Again, something has got to give. It's not going to be pleasant.
i think it's inevitable, too. oil is a finite resource, after all. the only question is whether it'll happen within my lifetime or not.
please show me evidence where mccain has acknowledged that drilling offshore would do just about nothing for current prices. during the whole RNC it sure seemed like he and the party were implying otherwise.
Huge headaches = destroyed economy
Why is everyone afraid of a little economic destruction? I think a decade of economic "nuclear winter" might be good for the vast majority of Americans...
Might get 'em (us) refocused on the basics...
