gas at $20/gallon
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1) if gas was $20/g there is no way anyplace would include free overnight shipping on every order.
2)what if I was buying milk? or eggs? or beer? Amazon going to sell/ship that too?
Speaking of baby steps, lets' kill off some babies.
Seriously though, a little population control wouldn't hurt.
since the oil companies own the patents for most of the alternatives to oil (because our darling government sold them to the oil companies) there probably wont be a seriously viable alternative until oil is no longer profitable. thus, make oil less profitable, get more alternatives.
if the profit margin built into the product is high enough then they certainly could include shipping. think about the overhead to run a real store...
and yes, all of the above. sort of like the dot com boom (kozmo.com anyone?) only "for real."
a picture of utopia:
no supermarkets
no retail stores (i guess i'd have to invent a biometric scanner that'd size up exactly how fat the person in front of the computer was to ensure that clothes fit
)no office buildings
trains carting goods about, a la "atlas shrugged" only without the collapse
everyone who possibly could would do their work from home, and would only leave the house for social gatherings and recreation. those who work out in the field would find that the current infrastructure is more than adequate.
this is a REALLY good idea, since trains take less energy to pull more weight than any other mass-shipping method on land (i don't know about super container ships)
Wrong, mass transit costs will fall through the floor if the majority of the population commutes on them. Computers used to cost $10,000 until everyone buying them brought the cost way down.
Toshi, I missed that you were from Seattle. I have to say this city is making serious strides towards being able to handle $20/gal prices. Not widening freeways, expansive bus service, and they're building light rail in town. Plus if you're within the city limits all your necessary stores aren't too far away.
And to everyone saying "Oh jeez don't wish it, you'll think different when you have to drive your fam to the hospital lol," maybe this is just a taste of what the rest of the world has to deal with all the time. Most of the world does not own a car, and they've designed their system around walking, biking, and mass transit. Unfortunately, we've designed our cities around being able to drive 40 miles to the store or work easily. Yeah it sucks that we're stuck with it but face the facts, it won't last more than a decade or two longer before all cities have to adapt.
oops, i fordot to mention it takes me 5 minutes to walk to wal-mart, and its the closest store.
I started reading the thread and there was just a bunch of repetetive Toshi hating so I didn't bother reading the rest. Wasn't trying to copy you, we just had similar thoughts.
if you can't say anything nice...
Certain countries have gone out of their way to make an environment friendly to manufacturing. Places like Taiwan and Vietnam have tried to specialize in certain industries. Try buying a backpack that wasn't made in Vietnam.The example like that that made me scratch my head the most is that the Iron Horse Sunday frames that were built here in the US,
are then shipped to Taiwan to be assembled into a complete bike.
Then shipped back here and sold here.
Its that much cheaper that it makes the shipping worthwhile.
Thats the world we live in.
Rural people living in a global economy.
Technology is the only bailout I can imagine that will keep the world from turning upside down when the oil crisis really gets bad.
Meanwhile this country has almost gone out it's way to **** on manufacturing. The lastes round of cluster****s is screwing my company right now. Almost everything we make has been deemed export restricted as it could be used in manufacturing WMD's. Of course there is absolutely nothing special or specific to our products that make them capable of producing WMD's. But it has made it extremely difficult for us export things. Of course similar products made in other countries have the same level of technology and have no restrictions so we automatically are less competative to export. Throw in economy of scale with the loss of the export market and foreign competitors are even stronger in our domestic market.
I should negative rep you for introducing a thought provoking thread into the lounge. This should have been started in the politics forum where everyone is so jaded we would have just ignored the topic and cracked jokes while making light of N8's mental retardation.
your house is on a Wal-Mart parking lot?
well as they say, great minds think alike.
theres an idea, when gas its $20/g - get a job at walmart and sell my truck
No sir, I don't like it.
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You are whining about negative rep? I thought only the car crash kid did that.
Toshi if you own a single piece of clothing or consumer item that is not a necessity to live and hasn't been manufactured directly, I'm afraid that you have no business starting threads like this. As a matter of fact, my loathing for you grows stronger with every post you make in here.
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How about we kill off some parents first? Not the kids' fault they were born.
Mildly related....I heard on NPR the other day that most beef consumed by americans is shipped from australia because the beef raised in the US exceeds the fat content allowed by the FDA.....
pretty sure that is false. Pollan's novel Omnivores Dilemma shows that most of our beef come from overcrowded feedlots. Maybe Ronald macdonald does.
FDA gets mad about feces in the meat, but they are still very lenient.
Mmm... fatty beef.
great thread Toshi
why thank you, D. this thread and the one on the Brammo Enertia (http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193516) sparked much reading on my part about car vs. motorcycle smog-producing emissions, total life cycle energy cost and greenhouse gas emissions, and general lifestyle choices...great thread Toshi
one thought that came to me last week:
what proportion of an individual's total energy usage is dependent on where they live? for example, how does living in Houston, what with air conditioning and driving everywhere, compare to living in Seattle, with a temperate climate and public transit, or to Nome, Alaska, for that matter?
in other words: due to non-automotive variables in energy use dictated by climate and city layout could it be possible that a Expedition driver in Seattle uses less energy than a Honda Insight driver in El Paso?
(NB: i don't know the answer to this.)
Interesting idea.
Except that not everyone can live in a temperate climate, just no room.
But I think where you're going with this is carbon credits/expenditures?
hmm...well I can offer this:why thank you, D. this thread and the one on the Brammo Enertia (http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193516) sparked much reading on my part about car vs. motorcycle smog-producing emissions, total life cycle energy cost and greenhouse gas emissions, and general lifestyle choices...
one thought that came to me last week:
what proportion of an individual's total energy usage is dependent on where they live? for example, how does living in Houston, what with air conditioning and driving everywhere, compare to living in Seattle, with a temperate climate and public transit, or to Nome, Alaska, for that matter?
in other words: due to non-automotive variables in energy use dictated by climate and city layout could it be possible that a Expedition driver in Seattle uses less energy than a Honda Insight driver in El Paso?
(NB: i don't know the answer to this.)
I was living in SoCal commuting to work 30 minutes each way. I was averaging about 380 miles to a 13 gal tank(I was typically driving about 75mph). I also drove to and from various MTB locations that were anywhere from 15-110miles away. My gas spending was about $100 a week at $3/gal
Now I'm in Nanaimo and I work about 10 minutes away. I'm currently driving but as soon as it gets warmer I will be riding to work full time. All the businesses that we use are 8km....so we pretty much walk everywhere. My gas cost now is about $55 every 2 weeks and it's currently $4.98/gal
Oh ya I am all ears on that one, I understand that Ag makes up 1% of the US GDP and that the total food industry is roughly 18% but where do you think food comes from. . . ?If you took my quote out of context to be entertaining, it didn't work.
Otherwise, you clearly misunderstood.
ok just so I am thinking on the same page, are you saying we are out of the farming age as in where every tom, dick & harry has a cow and some chickens in there back yard? If so I totally agree with you.
how much did it cost to heat your home/condo/whatever in SoCal? how does this compare in Nanaimo? are you living in a well-insulated igloo?
no, i'm just thinking aloud about the direction that public policy should go. would it ever be politically feasible to suggest that people move away from, say, LA for obvious reasons (such as there not being enough water)?
carbon credits are another topic, and on the consumer scale i'm not convinced. on an industry- or country-wide scale they have merit, but as far as i could tell given 15 minutes of reading commercial outfits that sell carbon offsets (eg, terrapass) are extremely shady.
I have been hoping for $5/gallon gas. That would solve the SUV problem here in texas.
Well I like heat so we never used the AC and it never was cold enough to turn on the heat. I just had a new oil tank installed for our house here and we're running on biodiesel....still getting used to it...D
I doubt it...I don't think Americans will really take action until it hits about 7.50/gal....D
just throwing this out there but i heard that the batteries the hybrid cars are devestating to the enviornment. like... really BAD
just what i herd so dont flame if i am wrong
just what i herd so dont flame if i am wrong