Generation Y is pretty damn worthless...
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So in other words, only the cream of the crop is good enough to feed to the meat grinder in Iraq? What's going to be left after the best and the brightest of gen 'y' is turned into physical and psychological cripples?
I dont know that this article is completely accurate. I spent several years recruiting for my company (where I worked next to a lot of recruiters from the armed forces), and must say that they didnt seem too selective to me. In my opinion, they seemed pretty desperate for candidates, and would pretty much take anyone.
Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt the armed forces an alternative to jail for troubled youths?
Correct me if Im wrong, but isnt the armed forces an alternative to jail for troubled youths?
hey man, I was in the military.....blt2ride said:
I was not a troubled youth.
I am in the military, and I was a troubled youth. Not spastically, mind you, but trouble lite, you might say. However, I realized that I made the right choice, and decided to stay on and make a career of it. Success in the Armed Services is not a matter of nature vs. nurture, rather an issue of an individual deciding to work within the system instead of against it. I have seen "best and brightest" types fall on their a$$es, and "troubled youth" succeed wildly. IT depends on the person...
There's some good kids in the military too, and an awful lot of idiots. It shouldnt come as news to anyone that most people aren't eligible to join though. Basically you have to be healthy with no major legal problems, in shape, and have graduated high school. That is a pretty liberal criteria IMO, and that most people cant meet it is more a reflection of society being worthless than of the military being to stringent. Think about it. Its not like you can trust kids with ADD to sit through a firearms safety class, or ask fat kids to run 5 miles and not have their knees explode, and if you could just drop out of HS and join the army, you'd probably see a rapid increase in highschool dropouts. So yeah, this isnt exactly newz.
I know...MudGrrl said:hey man, I was in the military.....
I was not a troubled youth.
I didn't mean for my comments to sound like everyone who is in the service was a troubled youth. I just found that article kind of hard to believe...
Most waivers were for medical problems. Some were for misdemeanors such as public drunkenness, resisting arrest or misdemeanor assault - prompting criticism that the Army is lowering its standards.
That's a decent description of any bar in Oceanside...
That's a decent description of any bar in Oceanside...
I think this is indicative more of society than a single age group. I'm sure if you lowered the physical standards for age you would find just as many gen Xers and older to be too fat, too stupid, with criminal records and with too many bad tattoos.
I enlisted in Nov. 1984 for a delayed entry in May 1985. I recieved a DUI in Deerfield Ill. in Feb. '85. I had to get a morals waiver to continue with my enlistment and the conviction which was reduced to reckless driving made me ineligible for 2 Army jobs; MP and Chaplains Asst. I was not interested in either of those in any case. The judge was ex-navy and obviously ruled somewhat in my favor. My recruiter was there the entire time both in getting the waiver paperwork done and testifying on my behalf in court. They could have jettisoned my ass but since I had honkin' ASVAB scores I suspect he put in the extra time to get me in. I believe they, the Armed Services, were a bit pickier then than now.
Are "honkin' scores good?
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MMike said:
2. honkin
Huge. Surpassing normal expectations.
sht.... I should have gotten a DUI so I couldn't be a cop.
dmn it.
dmn it.
hasn't been like that since Gulf War version 1. Any criminal record outside of minor traffic offenses is grounds for disqualification. It is nearly impossible to get in if you haven't kept your nose clean. Oddly enough, marines have some of the highest standards to get in, both mentally and physically yet i somehow made it inblt2ride said:
i say we waive the criminal record bit for the time being and allow certian inmates to volunteer for service. i'm sure many would rather get out and fight someone and be rewarded for it than stay inside and get in more trouble for fighting someone. not only would it solve some retention issues but it would also free up space in the prisons. some of these guys could really benefit from military training...although, training a thug how to make headshots from 500yds w/out a scope may not be in the best interest of society in the long run
If this were an in-the-trenches WWI style war, I would agree. But given that this is urban warfare in the midst of civilians and the fact that our leadership can't get the existing force's behavior (Abu Ghraib, etc.) under wraps or out of the eye of the media, I don't know if sending in (potentially hardened) criminals is such a good idea.manimal said:i say we waive the criminal record bit for the time being and allow certian inmates to volunteer for service. i'm sure many would rather get out and fight someone and be rewarded for it than stay inside and get in more trouble for fighting someone. not only would it solve some retention issues but it would also free up space in the prisons. some of these guys could really benefit from military training...although, training a thug how to make headshots from 500yds w/out a scope may not be in the best interest of society in the long run
manimal said:i say we waive the criminal record bit for the time being and allow certian inmates to volunteer for service. i'm sure many would rather get out and fight someone and be rewarded for it than stay inside and get in more trouble for fighting someone. not only would it solve some retention issues but it would also free up space in the prisons. some of these guys could really benefit from military training...although, training a thug how to make headshots from 500yds w/out a scope may not be in the best interest of society in the long run
uh, yeah.... I don't want the nut job on my team.
We had enough nut jobs as it was...........
of course I was always kind to them...because I never knew when they might snap and try to take out our unit (and I figured that they would spare me because I am nice)
But most of today's inmates are experts in Urban Warfareohio said:
Yeah, Let's model our military after the Serbs!