With a lot of bike geo nerds here, I was thinking about the spillover effect that downhill bikes are having on mountain bikes, and wondering if that's going to eventually transfer over to road bikes. Figured I'd post this in the DH forum in part because everybody who's given this some thought hangs out here, and partially because DH geometry seems to be gaining traction among the lesser people (roadies, who think 140mm stems are awesome and the shortest MTB stem you should consider is 120mm) Used to be trail bikes and enduro bikes were setup to have 69 degree HA's, long 110m stems and 14+ inch BB's. If they do it on road bikes, they should do it on mountain bikes. I remember when I was working at a bike shop a decade ago, we legit had large stock bikes coming in with 71 degree head angles and 120mm stems with 5 inches of travel. They road like garbage too (hello Gary Fisher). Seems like it took awhile for people to realize road bike geometry sucks. But companies have finally caught on, and now we're seeing trail bikes with 65-66 degree HA's, lower BB's, longer front centers, and 50-60mm stems seem pretty standard. The bikes handle way better in pretty much all situations. The wheelbases have gone up, the sizes have gotten bigger for people the same height, and the good riders no longer have to buy bikes 2 sizes up from what they should be on to find something equipped to go fast. So the question I have is, as this better geo trend of wider bars, shorter stems, longer front centers, slacker head angles, lower BB's trickles into trail and XC bikes, think there's any chance of that moving over to road bikes? It seems like it wouldn't be crazy hard to design a road bike with the correct amount of drop for an aero position while not giving it dogshit geo with a 140mm stem so that you can size down on the bike. Do all roadies just suck at figuring out handling, or do they know something I don't? Cause I know for sure I feel way more comfortable with the handling of a modern mountain bike at high speeds and low speeds, and I'd be interested to ride a road bike with a long wheelbase, low front end, shorter stem, and slacker HA than is considered normal. I'd be pumped as shit to ride a road bike with DH geometry sitting on a 64-65 degree HA, long wheel base, shorter stem etc. Anybody thought of this? Am I the idiot? Should I stop talking about road bikes?