[Changleen]

More 'extraordinary rendition' backwash. Good for Germany, I say.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10422033

Warrants for CIA agents

BERLIN - Munich state prosecutors yesterday took the unprecedented step of issuing warrants for the arrest of 13 suspected CIA agents.

They are alleged to have kidnapped and beaten a German national who was wrongly abducted and held prisoner in Afghanistan under the controversial United States extraordinary rendition programme.

The development marked the latest twist in the spectacular case of Khaled el Masri, a German of Lebanese descent who was bundled into an unmarked bus while on holiday in Macedonia in December 2003 and flown to a secret US renditions jail in Afghanistan. He was released in Albania in May 2004.

El Masri alleges that he was beaten and mistreated by American interrogators at the prison although it was clear that he had been wrongly abducted and was innocent. He maintains that on his release he was "dumped like a piece of luggage" in woods in Albania and that his abductors told him they "wanted to hear nothing more" about him.

State prosecutors in Munich said that the warrants issued were for the arrest of 13 suspected CIA agents, identified only by their codenames. As German arrest warrants are not valid in the US, the suspects could only be arrested if they were to travel to the European Union.

Anyone know what countries US arrest warrants are enforced in?

 

[valve bouncer]

I'd say the chances of any of those agents ever seeing the inside of a German prison as being close to zero. The frothers are all for law and order until they're the ones blatantly breaking the law.

 

[DRB]

How do you arrest a codename?

 

[stevew]

The frothers are all for law and order until they're the ones blatantly breaking the law.

Is this frother in jail yet?

 

[Da Peach]

Never be rude toooooooooo an Araaaaaab....

 

[$tinkle]

The frothers are all for law and order until they're the ones blatantly breaking the law.

Is this frother in jail yet?

 

[valve bouncer]

So the bird is Bush/CIA and the kid is Germany?
No attempt to defend the CIA here? If I knew how Sandy Berger is relevant to this it might make things clearer I guess.

 

[$tinkle]

So the bird is Bush/CIA and the kid is Germany?
No attempt to defend the CIA here? If I knew how Sandy Berger is relevant to this it might make things clearer I guess.

you noo here? we're not known for our "clarity", or whatever you call it.

 

[LordOpie]

"You know the CIA wasn't involved in JFK's assassination cuz he died."

 

[stevew]

No attempt to defend the CIA here? If I knew how Sandy Berger is relevant to this it might make things clearer I guess.

What do frothers have to do with anything?

Are they people who don't subscribe to the pure thoughts that you do?

Can they only be people on the right?

 

[valve bouncer]

What do frothers have to do with anything?

Are they people who don't subscribe to the pure thoughts that you do?

Can they only be people on the right?

1)They thought up such wonderful things as extraordinary rendition
2)No, they are rabid right-wingers such as those found in Bush's white house. You know pricks who think this kind of thing is a "good idea"
3) Since I made up the term frother, yes.

 

[stevew]

1)They thought up such wonderful things as extraordinary rendition
2)No, they are rabid right-wingers such as those found in Bush's white house. You know pricks who think this kind of thing is a "good idea"
3) Since I made up the term frother, yes.

Rendition/extraordinary rendition....the same thing..

from wikpedia, fwiw

The procedure was developed by Central Intelligence Agency officials [citation needed] in the mid-1990s who were trying to track down and dismantle militant Islamic organizations in the Middle East, particularly Al Qaeda. At the time, the agency was reluctant to grant suspected terrorists due process under American law, as it could potentially jeopardize its intelligence sources and methods. The solution the agency came up with, with the approval of the Clinton administration and a presidential directive (PDD 39), was to send suspects to Egypt, where they were turned over to the Egyptian mukhabarat, which has a reputation for brutality. This arrangement suited the Egyptians, as they had been trying to crack down on Islamic extremists in that country and a number of the senior members of Al Qaeda were Egyptian. The arrangement suited the US because torture is banned under both US and international law.

The argument for rendition made by defenders of the practice is that culturally-informed and native-language interrogations are more successful in gaining information from suspects. For instance, interrogators of one terrorist suspect prayed to Mecca five times per day in the presence of the suspect until he became willing to talk.[16] Nevertheless, there have been many reports of the use of torture by these governments on suspects rendered to them.

The first individual to be subjected to rendition was Talaat Fouad Qassem, one of Egypt's most wanted terrorists, who was arrested with the help of US intelligence by Croatian police in Zagreb in September 1995. He was interrogated by US agents on a ship in the Adriatic Sea and was then sent back to Egypt. He disappeared while in custody, and is suspected by human rights activists of having been executed without a trial.[citation needed]

In the summer of 1998, a similar operation was mounted in Tirana, Albania. Wiretaps showed that five Egyptians had been in contact with Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's deputy. During the course of several months, Shawki Salama Attiya and four militants were captured by Albanian security forces collaborating with US agents. The men were flown to Cairo for interrogation. Attiya later alleged that he had electric shocks applied to his genitals, was hung from his limbs, and was kept in a cell with dirty water up to his knees.

So Bush was President in the mid 90's?

 

[$tinkle]

1)They thought up such wonderful things as extraordinary rendition

not so fast; this was dreamed up as policy under clinton (PDD-39 u.s. policy on counterterrorism); it was only given a flashy name under bush

2)No, they are rabid right-wingers such as those found in Bush's white house. You know pricks who think this kind of thing is a "good idea"

cracka, plait

3) Since I made up the term frother, yes.

yes, i do believe patent is pending on this

 

[valve bouncer]

If Clinton thought this up then he's a bigger prick than I originally thought and I already thought he was quite a knob.
And anyway, whoever does it, it's wrong.

 

[MikeD]

Zey vill nevair take mhe alife!!

I know nussink!

 

[rockwool]

Zey vill nevair take mhe alife!!

I know nussink!

Jump starting your testicles as I write this.

 

[MikeD]

Jump starting your testicles as I write this.

Zat is zo schveet off you, mein Schatz...

Edit: By the way, there's some terminology that needs to be cleared up here... the CIA doesn't have American 'agents.' It employs intelligence officers. Intelligence-speak refers to anyone recruited by an intel operative (of any nation, not saying the US does anything like this...) as an 'agent.' 'Agents' do most of the actual spy work. So if the Germans are looking to arrest agents, they may very well be able to. However, if they want to arrest intelligence officers, that'd be very difficult for many more reasons than might be immediately apparent.

Edit II: Chang, "backwash" is the spit that flows back into a drinking bottle when you drink like a pig. "Blowback" is the term for unintentional negative consequences from political/military/intel action.

 

[Changleen]

Edit II: Chang, "backwash" is the spit that flows back into a drinking bottle when you drink like a pig. "Blowback" is the term for unintentional negative consequences from political/military/intel action.

Yeah I know. That's what I meant.