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Slugman

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Higher fines for indecent programs approved
Senate approves penalties of up to $3 million per day

The Associated Press
Updated: 4:41 p.m. ET June 22, 2004WASHINGTON –

Disgusted by racy language, explicit scenes and skin-baring outfits, the Senate overwhelmingly agreed on Tuesday to fine radio and television broadcasters and personalities as much as $3 million a day for airing indecent entertainment.

Faced with public uproar stoked by Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake’s “wardrobe malfunction” at this year’s Super Bowl, the Senate rushed the bill through on a 99-1 vote without floor debate.

GOP Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas said the issue has been debated enough. Lawmakers have continually criticized broadcasters for airing what they say is increasingly coarse programming that can be seen or heard by children.

“People are tired of this indecent material on over-the-air public broadcast, particularly during prime time when people’s families are watching,” said Brownback, the bill’s sponsor. “We’re going to have to take action because the broadcasters won’t police themselves.”

Under the measure, the maximum fine for both broadcasters and entertainers would increase to up to $275,000 per indecent incident, up from $27,500 for license holders and $11,000 for personalities. The fines would keep increasing for each incident until a maximum fine of $3 million a day is reached.

The House passed a similar bill that would set fines at $500,000. Differences between the two bills must be worked out.

The Senate moved the measure without debate as part of the massive defense bill expected to be approved later this week. The only senator to vote against the bill was Sen. John Breaux, D-La.

A call to Breaux’s office for comment was not immediately returned.

Federal law and FCC rules prohibit over-the-air radio and television stations from airing offensive material that refers to sexual and excretory functions between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., hours when children are more likely to be tuned in. No such restrictions exist for cable and satellite TV or satellite radio.

The FCC currently has no power to regulate those channels, which are available through subscription to the 85 percent of the 108.4 million U.S. households with televisions.

Introduced in January, after FCC Chairman Michael Powell demanded higher fines, the bill wound up on a fast track to passage after the Feb. 1 Super Bowl halftime show that ended with Timberlake partially exposing Jackson’s breast for an instant to 90 million viewers.

The incident generated more than 500,000 complaints to the FCC.

If the legislation isn’t approved as part of the bill to authorize spending for the Defense Department, Brownback said he would try to find another way to get it through the Senate. “This is something the public wants,” he said.

The Senate also approved a provision that would delay for one year the FCC’s media ownership rules that allow, among other things, companies to own both newspapers and broadcasting stations in the same market.

A consumer group cheered that action.

“Once again the Senate has demonstrated its objection to weakening rules that keep massive media conglomerates from swallowing up local media outlets and ignoring community values,” said Gene Kimmelman, senior public policy director of Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports.

Brownback said he wasn’t sure that those provisions would make it into the final legislation that emerges from the Senate-House conference committee.

© 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

:eviltongu I expect to hear all the shock jocks crying foul...
 

Tenchiro

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Apparantly the American public has lost the ability to turn the channel or station when something comes on that offends them... :rolleyes:
 

N8 v2.0

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Speaking of this issue.... Did anyone catch that show on FX last night at 9 PM CST..? It was about a couple of plastic surgons...

Pretty much was softcore porn....
 

Slugman

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Tenchiro said:
Apparantly the American public has lost the ability to turn the channel or station when something comes on that offends them... :rolleyes:
Or take personal reponsibility for their children...

N8 said:
Speaking of this issue.... Did anyone catch that show on FX last night at 9 PM CST..? It was about a couple of plastic surgons...

Pretty much was softcore porn....
Nope... don't have cable and barely watch TV
 

Tenchiro

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Slugman said:
Or take personal reponsibility for their children...
It seems that parents have long ago stopped raising their children, and started letting TV, Movies and Videogames to do it for them.
 

Slugman

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Tenchiro said:
It seems that parents have long ago stopped raising their children, and started letting TV, Movies and Videogames to do it for them.
And since the government is now taking stronger measures to control those forms of media... then they are now raising people's children. :nope:
 

RhinofromWA

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These new rules effect broadcast TV....freee for everyone. Cable can still be as racy as ever right?...to different degrees (Spike vs HBO at night)

I still beleive Janet and Justines "stunt" was stupid and fining them and the station was appropriate.

We aren't talking going back to Leave it to Beaver *snicker...beaver* we are talking about not seeing some cops ass and janets wrinkly nipple on broadcast TV. :D No one wants to see that....well some might. But get Cable and go wild. Buy your soft porn and keep it off the airwaves.

I had an aunt turn off the Brady Bunch at a family reunion because one of the kids was about to have their first kiss. :rolleyes: She didn't want her kid watching that subject. That is a little more extreme than keeping nipple and other stuff off the air waves.

At least I think so.

A "suprise" booby done for shock value is wrong....try singing and entertaining that will shock us! :D
 

LordOpie

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it's about time they made the punishment bad enough to discourage that behavior. Why have a punishment if it's not working? Conversely, they need to back off of pay-per-view channels.

My OUTRAGE is that this bill was a rider on a national security bill... WTF??! How is this a national security issue?
 

Toshi

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at least it wasn't a rider on a "child pornography prevention" bill or other such nonsense that has little if anything to do with its title...
 

BurlyShirley

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Surely you all would be opposed to showing Hard-core porn on network TV right? Well then, you all have some standards, and everyone's are different, so its easiest to just go the non-offensive route. WTF is so hard about this?
 

Silver

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BurlySurly said:
Surely you all would be opposed to showing Hard-core porn on network TV right? Well then, you all have some standards, and everyone's are different, so its easiest to just go the non-offensive route. WTF is so hard about this?
I find Army recruiting commercials offensive. Can I get those taken off the air?
 

LordOpie

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Silver said:
I find Army recruiting commercials offensive. Can I get those taken off the air?
someone has to decide what's generally appropriate for american viewing. Or would you advocate a total free for all?
 

Silver

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LordOpie said:
someone has to decide what's generally appropriate for american viewing. Or would you advocate a total free for all?
Isn't that what the market is supposed to do? Free markets are good right? Invisible hand and all that? If the public doesn't want to watch, they won't watch.
 

LordOpie

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Silver said:
Isn't that what the market is supposed to do? Free markets are good right? Invisible hand and all that? If the public doesn't want to watch, they won't watch.
so hardcore porn on the public airwaves is fine by you?

yes or no

answer the fvcking question... yes or no ?!? :D
 

BurlyShirley

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Silver said:
Isn't that what the market is supposed to do? Free markets are good right? Invisible hand and all that? If the public doesn't want to watch, they won't watch.
ok..so you're for hard core porn and executions on free tv. Gotcha. there's really no sense in arguing any further becasue youre beyond compromise. good luck with that.
 

Silver

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BurlySurly said:
ok..so you're for hard core porn and executions on free tv. Gotcha. there's really no sense in arguing any further becasue youre beyond compromise. good luck with that.
No, I'm against the death penalty, for reasons stated clearly in other threads.

Kindly explain to me why we let children get bombarded with ads for beer and liquor on television during prime time, but a single nipple flash is cause enough to put Ned Flanders on the censor button.
 

LordOpie

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BurlySurly said:
ok..so you're for hard core porn and executions on free tv. Gotcha. there's really no sense in arguing any further becasue youre beyond compromise. good luck with that.
hahahaah...


Silver, you're either for regulation or not.
 

BurlyShirley

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Silver said:
No, I'm against the death penalty, for reasons stated clearly in other threads.

Kindly explain to me why we let children get bombarded with ads for beer and liquor on television during prime time, but a single nipple flash is cause enough to put Ned Flanders on the censor button.
I see you have no answer for what I asked and no reply to what I stated. Dodging the question is the same as admitting that you're wrong you know...
 

Silver

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I'm actually quite serious about letting the market decide. Now, that isn't going to happen, because the control is fixed with a few large media companies anyways, so my solution isn't going to work, unless you want to piss off some large campaign donors.

So, yes, I'm for hard core porn on network tv, if that happens to be what people want. Until we start forcing people to watch tv Clockwork Orange style, I have little sympathy for the argument that "It's not suitable for little Johnny!" Last time I checked, the right to a television channel with a Focus on the Family stamp of approval was not enshrined in the constitution.
 

Slugman

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Silver said:
Isn't that what the market is supposed to do? Free markets are good right? Invisible hand and all that? If the public doesn't want to watch, they won't watch.
I would agree with you ONLY if TV was only viewable by ADULTS!

Silver said:
a single nipple flash is cause enough to put Ned Flanders on the censor button.
LOL :thumb:

My problem is that I just do not understand people... things that seem (to me) like an intelligent society would shut off, are typically huge ratings winners. :help:
 

Silver

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It seems to work allright for the internet.

How many of you spend all day on hard core porn sites? How many of you have bookmarks made up mostly of hard core porn sites?

It's out there...and the people who want it go get it. Porn popups I have a problem with, but I don't see the need to regulate porn sites out of business.
 

LordOpie

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Silver said:
ISo, yes, I'm for hard core porn on network tv...
on select channels or any channel?

If on any channel, wouldn't that mean that people would have to memorize the tv listings or consult them every time they wanted to change the channel? There are things I don't want to watch and I'm more selective at midnight... like I don't want to see someone getting killed on a reality tv show right before i go to bed.

So, is everything fair game on every channel all the time?
 

Silver

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LordOpie said:
on select channels or any channel?

If on any channel, wouldn't that mean that people would have to memorize the tv listings or consult them every time they wanted to change the channel? There are things I don't want to watch and I'm more selective at midnight... like I don't want to see someone getting killed on a reality tv show right before i go to bed.

So, is everything fair game on every channel all the time?
Well, no. I would think you'd have channels that would promote themselves as being smut free. Much like RM doesn't allow posting porn pics on this site.
 

BurlyShirley

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Silver said:
It seems to work allright for the internet.

How many of you spend all day on hard core porn sites? How many of you have bookmarks made up mostly of hard core porn sites?

It's out there...and the people who want it go get it. Porn popups I have a problem with, but I don't see the need to regulate porn sites out of business.
Sure, but if you go to sesame street.com, and all of a sudden you get porno commercials or previews of some reality show where Paris Hilton blows a camel or something...you gotta admit there's a line that needs to be drawn. Its the same with TV.
 

Westy

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Last time I checked we supposedly live in a free market economy and supposedly have the freedom of speech. "Free" television is not free, it is paid for by sponsors with advertizing money. It should be the sponsors right to decide what is shown on the the shows they are paying for. It is a matter of property rights as much as anything else.
 

Silver

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BurlySurly said:
Sure, but if you go to sesame street.com, and all of a sudden you get porno commercials or previews of some reality show where Paris Hilton blows a camel or something...you gotta admit there's a line that needs to be drawn. Its the same with TV.
How so? Channels are allowed to pick with advertising they want, right? If NBC wanted to promote itself as being family oriented, they'd refuse to air those promos.
 

LordOpie

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sure, channels can regulate themselves, but what's the solution to a channel deciding to go porn and it happens to be right next to PBS showing kids shows.

Or would all kids channels be 1-10 and porn 70-330?
 

Silver

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LordOpie said:
sure, channels can regulate themselves, but what's the solution to a channel deciding to go porn and it happens to be right next to PBS showing kids shows.

Or would all kids channels be 1-10 and porn 70-330?
Parents, actually watching, interacting and taking care of their children.

Much like growing up the booze happened to be in the cupboard over from the soda. That didn't mean I was sucking back Jack Daniels every day when I was 12.
 

Westy

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LordOpie said:
sure, channels can regulate themselves, but what's the solution to a channel deciding to go porn and it happens to be right next to PBS showing kids shows.

Or would all kids channels be 1-10 and porn 70-330?
The V-chip or whatever they call it.
Parents disabling the channel.
Parents beating the crap out of their kids for watching it.

What is to stop kids from getting into dad's hustler mag's or mom's 12" vibrating donkey dong?---> Good parents!

TV is not a baby sitter!!
 

BurlyShirley

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Silver said:
How so? Channels are allowed to pick with advertising they want, right?
Actually, help me out here. Are they? Can NBC just decide to go "we're not running any pro-Bush commercials" and influence an election?
 

BurlyShirley

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Westy said:
What is to stop kids from getting into dad's hustler mag's or mom's 12" vibrating donkey dong?---> Good parents!
Right. Parents should be responsible and all, but are you telling me that society in no way should be promoting a good environment for children to grow up in?
 

Silver

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BurlySurly said:
Actually, help me out here. Are they? Can NBC just decide to go "we're not running any pro-Bush commercials" and influence an election?
They may not be able to because the broadcast spectrum is supposedly publically owned, I'm not sure. Didn't one of the networks refuse to run the Moveon.org ad?

Keep in mind they aren't going to refuse to run them. Money talks. Especially when the candidate gets elected and it's time to write legislation.