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Jr_Bullit

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No casualties? White House disputes Robertson comment
'The president never made such a comment'

Thursday, October 21, 2004 Posted: 1:22 AM EDT (0522 GMT)

EAU CLAIRE, Wisconsin (CNN) -- A White House spokesman denied Wednesday that President Bush told Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson that he did not expect casualties from the invasion of Iraq.

"The president never made such a comment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

Senior Bush campaign adviser Karen Hughes, a longtime confidant of the president, said she was "certain" Bush would not have said anything like that to Robertson.

"Perhaps he misunderstood, but I've never heard the president say any such thing," Hughes said on CNN's "Inside Politics."

Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, told CNN in an interview Tuesday night that he urged the president to prepare the American people for the prospect of casualties before launching the war in March 2003.

Robertson said Bush told him, " 'Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties.' "

More than 1,100 American troops have been killed in Iraq since the invasion, most of them battling an insurgency that followed the overthrow of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Sen. John Kerry, Bush's Democratic challenger, quickly seized on Robertson's account.

Kerry's campaign issued a statement Wednesday challenging Bush to say whether the "700 Club" founder and 1988 GOP presidential candidate was telling the truth.

"We believe President Bush should get the benefit of the doubt here," Kerry spokesman Mike McCurry said in a news release.

"But he needs to come forward and answer a very simple question: Is Pat Robertson telling the truth when he said you didn't think there'd be any casualties, or is Pat Robertson lying?"

McClellan said Bush did meet with Robertson in Nashville before the invasion, as Robertson recounted. But McClellan said Bush always has recognized that war "requires sacrifice" and that there would be American casualties.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Robertson restated his "100 percent" support for Bush's re-election and said he began and ended his CNN interview "with my warm endorsement and praise of President Bush." But he did not back away from his comments.

"I emphatically stated that, 'I believe 'the blessing of heaven is upon him,' and I am persuaded that he will win this election and prevail on the war against terror in order to keep America safe from her avowed enemies," Robertson said.

In his CNN interview, the religious leader described Bush on the eve of the invasion as "the most self-assured man I've ever met in my life."

"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces.' I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the world,' " Robertson said on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now."

"And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.' "

He said that's when the president told him he did not expect casualties from the invasion.
start In the interview, Robertson also said he wishes Bush would admit to mistakes made.

"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said. "I warned him about casualties."

Asked why he thought Bush has refused to admit to mistakes on Iraq, Robertson said, "I don't know this politics game. You know, you can never say you were wrong because the opposition grabs onto it: 'See, he admitted he screwed up.' "

Even as Robertson criticized Bush for downplaying the potential dangers of the Iraq war, he heaped praise on Bush, saying he believes the president will win the election.

"Even if he stumbles and messes up -- and he's had his share of stumbles and gaffes -- I just think God's blessing is on him," Robertson said.

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Silver

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I'm skeptical.

Robertson and his ilk are mad at Bush. It's been four years, and abortion is still legal, and you can't stone homosexuals and/or feminists. They've had a few bones thrown at them, but they are starting to get uppity.

Besides, we told everyone it was Mission Accomplished on the aircraft carrier, and Bush don't make no mistakes. :D
 

MikeD

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Oct 26, 2001
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Jr_Bullit said:
"I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy," Robertson said.
Do people really get away with saying sh1t like this? What, were they playing golf together? I'm nearly speechless here...

MD
 

Andyman_1970

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Apr 4, 2003
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Pat Robertson, yet another Christian who prefers to react to culture rather than be an influence on it. Instead of bashing all these groups (which interestingly Paul never did when he preached), why not love these people like Jesus did. Why not show the world a real live example of Godly compassion and influence the world and the culture that way.................. :confused:

I just don't get it................sometimes I feel like a fish swimming upstream..........
 

ohio

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Nov 26, 2001
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Andyman_1970 said:
sometimes I feel like a fish swimming upstream..........
well, on the bright side feeling like a fish in spawn is what immediately follows that... or feeling like a fish being eaten by a grizzly bear.
 

ummbikes

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Andyman_1970 said:
Pat Robertson, yet another Christian who prefers to react to culture rather than be an influence on it. Instead of bashing all these groups (which interestingly Paul never did when he preached), why not love these people like Jesus did. Why not show the world a real live example of Godly compassion and influence the world and the culture that way.................. :confused:

I just don't get it................sometimes I feel like a fish swimming upstream..........
I have been feeling more like a brainwashing victim lately, is your church doing the 40 days of purpose thing like nearly every other church? Oh, now that you mention it when did Christianity become the official religion of the Republicans. Heck, I'm getting a bit of a rant, so when did Tim Lahay and Jerry Jenkins get mentioned in Revelations as prophets? I'm so sick of Left Behind, Purpose Driven, Prayer of Jabel, prepacked religion and Pat Robertson that I'm about ready to flip. Why is it that everyone read the ENTIRE left behind series and not their Bibles? Why is hate tolerated from the leaders of Christianity? When did sitting in judgement of the souls of man become, well, man's job? :mumble:
 

Changleen

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Fvcking organised religion man, it's the root of all evil, which is terribly ironic...

"We believe in charity, forgiveness and helping our fellow man. If you don't do what we say, you'll burn in Hell for all eternity. Our God of forgiveness says so." :thumb:

Nice job, fellas. :stosh:
 

bigshred

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off topic here, but is it true that Bush has spent some odd $ million dollars on research regarding prayer and its healing effects on cancer, etc... ? I recall reading that somewhere....
 

BurlyShirley

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bigshred said:
off topic here, but is it true that Bush has spent some odd $ million dollars on research regarding prayer and its healing effects on cancer, etc... ? I recall reading that somewhere....
The onion maybe?

I dont see how research would describe 'miracles'. Religious people denounced research long ago too, I think.
 

Andyman_1970

Turbo Monkey
Apr 4, 2003
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ummbikes said:
I have been feeling more like a brainwashing victim lately, is your church doing the 40 days of purpose thing like nearly every other church? Oh, now that you mention it when did Christianity become the official religion of the Republicans. Heck, I'm getting a bit of a rant, so when did Tim Lahay and Jerry Jenkins get mentioned in Revelations as prophets? I'm so sick of Left Behind, Purpose Driven, Prayer of Jabel, prepacked religion and Pat Robertson that I'm about ready to flip. Why is it that everyone read the ENTIRE left behind series and not their Bibles? Why is hate tolerated from the leaders of Christianity? When did sitting in judgement of the souls of man become, well, man's job? :mumble:
We are not doing the 40 days of purpose, but I know alot that are in my area, and I've read the book. It's not a bad book, and has some good (I think) points on how we as Christians are to live as a community. I will say that for some, the 40 days of purpose becomes the point, rather than seeking God and using that 40 days like say Moses, or Elijah or Jesus did.

The whole Left Behind thing really tees me off. IMO, that whole series did nothing but reinforce the false notion that salvation is like "fire insurance" and that being a Christian is simply about praying a pray and now just wait around because you're not going to get left behind............. :angry: That is dimetrically opposed to the Gospel that Jesus taught, He taught of walking in harmony with God, of restoration "may you go in Shalom"...................not "some glad morning I'll fly away". This kind of thinking (fire insurance/transactional Christianity) is why many people see Christianity as irrelevant for today..............and I would agree with them.
 

fluff

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Changleen said:
Fvcking organised religion man, it's the root of all evil, which is terribly ironic...

"We believe in charity, forgiveness and helping our fellow man. If you don't do what we say, you'll burn in Hell for all eternity. Our God of forgiveness says so." :thumb:

Nice job, fellas. :stosh:
Actually I think one of the places where the Bible really does nail the truth is the 'Love of money is the root of all evil' part.

Where religion becomes a problem is where it is manipulated for the pursuit of money and power (which are conjoined entities). Most, if not all, major religions preach a path of peace.

I hate money with a passion. I pile all of mine up together on a regular basis just to subject all ten cents of it to a bile-filled rant.