I'm about as far south as you can go and still be considered upstate NY. Ever heard of Orange County NY?Nick said:Where upstate? My Mom used to live in Ogdensburg, right on the St. Lawrence river. It doesn't get much more 'upstate' then that! Such a beautiful place. Now she is in the White Mtns. in NH ... goes from cold to colder each time she has moved, but always somewhere with good trails!