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Good read, from senate speech

patconnole

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Jun 4, 2002
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A war of choice.





Robert Byrd.

March 19, 2003


"The Arrogance of Power"


I believe in this beautiful country. I have studied its roots and gloried in the wisdom of its magnificent Constitution. I have marveled at the wisdom of its founders and framers. Generation after generation of Americans has understood the lofty ideals that underlie our great Republic. I have been inspired by the story of their sacrifice and their strength.

But, today I weep for my country. I have watched the events of recent months with a heavy, heavy heart. No more is the image of America one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper. The image of America has changed. Around the globe, our friends mistrust us, our word is disputed, our intentions are questioned.

Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we demand obedience or threaten recrimination. Instead of isolating Saddam Hussein, we seem to have isolated ourselves. We proclaim a new doctrine of preemption which is understood by few and feared by many. We say that the United States has the right to turn its firepower on any corner of the globe which might be suspect in the war on terrorism. We assert that right without the sanction of any international body. As a result, the world has become a much more dangerous place.

We flaunt our superpower status with arrogance. We treat UN Security Council members like ingrates who offend our princely dignity by lifting their heads from the carpet. Valuable alliances are split. After war has ended, the United States will have to rebuild much more than the country of Iraq. We will have to rebuild America's image around the globe.

The case this Administration tries to make to justify its fixation with war is tainted by charges of falsified documents and circumstantial evidence. We cannot convince the world of the necessity of this war for one simple reason. This is a war of choice.

There is no credible information to connect Saddam Hussein to 9/11. The twin towers fell because a world-wide terrorist group, Al Qaeda, with cells in over 60 nations, struck at our wealth and our influence by turning our own planes into missiles, one of which would likely have slammed into the dome of this beautiful Capitol except for the brave sacrifice of the passengers on board.

The brutality seen on September 11th and in other terrorist attacks we have witnessed around the globe are the violent and desperate efforts by extremists to stop the daily encroachment of western values upon their cultures. That is what we fight. It is a force not confined to borders. It is a shadowy entity with many faces, many names, and many addresses.

But, this Administration has directed all of the anger, fear, and grief which emerged from the ashes of the twin towers and the twisted metal of the Pentagon towards a tangible villain, one we can see and hate and attack. And villain he is. But, he is the wrong villain. And this is the wrong war. If we attack Saddam Hussein, we will probably drive him from power. But, the zeal of our friends to assist our global war on terrorism may have already taken flight.

The general unease surrounding this war is not just due to "orange alert." There is a pervasive sense of rush and risk and too many questions unanswered. How long will we be in Iraq? What will be the cost? What is the ultimate mission? How great is the danger at home? A pall has fallen over the Senate Chamber. We avoid our solemn duty to debate the one topic on the minds of all Americans, even while scores of thousands of our sons and daughters faithfully do their duty in Iraq.

What is happening to this country? When did we become a nation which ignores and berates our friends? When did we decide to risk undermining international order by adopting a radical and doctrinaire approach to using our awesome military might? How can we abandon diplomatic efforts when the turmoil in the world cries out for diplomacy?

Why can this President not seem to see that America's true power lies not in its will to intimidate, but in its ability to inspire?

War appears inevitable. But, I continue to hope that the cloud will lift. Perhaps Saddam will yet turn tail and run. Perhaps reason will somehow still prevail. I along with millions of Americans will pray for the safety of our troops, for the innocent civilians in Iraq, and for the security of our homeland. May God continue to bless the United States of America in the troubled days ahead, and may we somehow recapture the vision which for the present eludes us.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Well, he's obviously a traitor. Why doesn't Byrd go make that speech in France, goddam it?

Fvcking tree hugging hippie. I'm so steamed right now, I'm going to make some Frenc...er...Freedom Roast coffee with my Frenc...er...Freedom Press and then munch on some Frenc...er...Freedom Fries for lunch.

God Bless America.
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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Originally posted by N8
...meaningless words from Klu Klux Klansman Robert Byrd...


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
True enough. Of course, you could dismiss everything that Bush says because he's a religious nut, an alcoholic, and a former cokefiend.

It's a ****ty choice, I understand. Therefore, I'm going to pay attention to the one who seems to have actually put some thought into his position.

That ain't the good ole boy from Texas, y'all understand. :)
 

patconnole

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Jun 4, 2002
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Originally posted by N8
...meaningless words from Klu Klux Klansman Robert Byrd...


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anybody know of any cool quotes from some dead famous person for this? I want it to say: Seperate the message from the medium, and if you believe in the message, follow it (not the speaker).


I didn't post it because Byrd is a good or bad (I don't know) guy. It's a good speech from congress.

So, stepping aside whatever you think of Byrd, what do you think of the speech? just "meaningless words?" Nice.
 

Trond

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Oct 22, 2002
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thanks for sharing, good reading. It's been a sad week. nice to know that these thoughts are still shared in congress.

Trond.
 

stevew

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Sep 21, 2001
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A quote from Senator Byrd from his sheet wearing days:

"The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the union."

Then there was his "white ni**er" slip of the tongue a few years ago. I think I can pass on reading anything by him.

steve
 

patconnole

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Jun 4, 2002
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Again, seperate the message from the medium. It is possible for people who've done bad things to say something meaningful. Shall I edit the speech so it looks as if someone else said it?

"Oh, now I agree with the speech. The meaning is different because it's not from Byrd!"
 

stevew

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Sep 21, 2001
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Originally posted by patconnole
Again, seperate the message from the medium. It is possible for people who've done bad things to say something meaningful. Shall I edit the speech so it looks as if someone else said it?

"Oh, now I agree with the speech. The meaning is different because it's not from Byrd!"
No.

steve
 

stevew

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Originally posted by patconnole
Don't worry, I'll find a speaker you'll like.
I'm sorry, I just don't care for Senator Byrd. I don't look to politicians for inspiration.

Hmmmm... a speaker I like? Thomas Sowell perhaps.

steve
 

patconnole

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Jun 4, 2002
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Originally posted by stevew
I'm sorry, I just don't care for Senator Byrd. I don't look to politicians for inspiration.

Hmmmm... a speaker I like? Thomas Sowell perhaps.

steve

Alrighty-- don't know if inspiration was the goal, just an expression of opinion on an idea, instead of a person.
 

Tenchiro

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Jul 19, 2002
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When I think of the average KKK member, I think of an ignorant, scared, backwoods pinhead. Just because someone wrote this guy a speech doesn't mean anything.
 

DRB

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But its like ANY speech. We will love that which we agree with and hate that which we don't.

If it was a former Klan guy making a speech for the war, I wonder if you would be so tolerant of his past?
 

patconnole

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Jun 4, 2002
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Originally posted by DRB
But its like ANY speech. We will love that which we agree with and hate that which we don't.

If it was a former Klan guy making a speech for the war, I wonder if you would be so tolerant of his past?
And I wonder if you'll be tolerant of my foot up your ass!

Good point.


I forgave Bush for the crack! Clinton for the whoring! Byrd for the kkk-ing..... maybe not totally forgiven. Good speech though.