They're already halfway there.
Goodbye freedom...
I feel good about my opinion. I didn't post it JUST to feel good about it. (nice spin though)
Thank you everyone for your opinions, comments and insults. It's been a pleasure. 
I hope you realize that just because you're done with us doesn't mean that we're done with you.
One thing I do want to touch on here, is that taking any information from US based media, regardless of the source, must be done so the same way you take a shot of tequila, with plenty of salt. There are very few American journalists who do true investigative reporting anymore. The majority just take what they are given from a politician, a company, a gov't team, etc, and just repeat it, without questioning.
I absolutely agree...
That wasn't in my original post either...nice spin though.
Where is this thread? I am very curious about the mercenary firefighters...
Here einstein.Well that sure cleared it up. Now that YOU told me so I am enlightened.
What propaganda?
Weak point.
And what is your issue with my previous post? I had drool in my eyes.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf
This is what's currently available.
Read section 102.
Now remember this is what you were calling misinformation.
It says it in the fvcking bill.
Relax man.
Ok I read it.
It appears that I can keep it just like it is. Until I want to change something. What if I wanted to leave the company I'm with to go somewhere else or start my own business?
What happens when regulations drive up the cost of existing coverages for employers and cause them to just go with the government plan?
It's only the same if I and my employer stay the same.
Health care plans used to be a "benefit" form employers now the government wants to make them a requirement.
Like I've been saying. I don't trust the government the way it is now.
Time will tell my friend. Thank you for the debate.
Have a great weekend.
We wont know until we see the end result.
Yesterday, because of this thread, I wrote the Congressman serving the district I live in (Doug Lamborn) and asked him to support a public option. Clearly Congressman Lamborn hasn't read the legislation either as he says a lot of the same things spurlicked is regurgitating. This is the paragraph that really got my blood boiling though:
Congressman Lamborns response, near as I can tell, is "Hey Hippie, go fvck yourself". Keep it in mind come election time azzhole.
And the government funded abortion thing is a complete red herring also. I'm surprised this azzhole didn't bring up the euthanize grandma thing.
Well guess what dip****, I have private health care and it already is rationed by bureaucrats making medical decisions for my doctors with all the compassion of the IRS. I'm back in PT because I'm still having shoulder problems related to my accident, and I have to resubmit paper work every 3 weeks to continue going and hope that I don't get denied. This was happening when I was in PT after I got out of the hospital in the first month. I got run over by a fvcking car and had to learn to walk again and my employer (through pacificare) was trying to deny me physical therapy. Not to mention how many different prescriptions have been denied by my provider. But a "private" provider will treat me better than the government. WTF ever.
Congressman Lamborns response, near as I can tell, is "Hey Hippie, go fvck yourself". Keep it in mind come election time azzhole.
*emphasis added by me.
And the government funded abortion thing is a complete red herring also. I'm surprised this azzhole didn't bring up the euthanize grandma thing.
The government surely will make all go away....
Did you read the exchange part?
You can still opt out for a private plan.
Don't get all sensitive when you've repeatedly recycled your bullshlt in the face of the truth over and over again in this thread. It's obvious when you start spewing opinion piece crap as some sort of fact.
Only now did you even acknowledge that this won't replace current coverage because I threw it in your lap. Again, read the exchange part.
Seriously man. It's okay to be ignorant and it's okay to be stubborn but don't mix the two.
It's exactly this kind of crap that keeps people stupid and voting against their own interests.
Tell me what's so wonderful about your current insurance. Mine sucks. I can't even go to an orthepedic office which has years of records on my injuries because my insurance won't fvcking pay them. I've paid out of pocket for my last two visits including x-rays, and one cortisone shot because the company that GETS PAID to cover me just straight up doesn't.
I want an alternative and I'm tired of outright lies being taken as truth over this because cigna, health net etc have their hands so far up everyone's ass, no one tells the truth. You're included in that without even knowing it.
wish I had time.
I'M GOIN' RIDING.
Right, 100 PAWN posts in the last 24 hours, and now he pulls the "I'm going riding" line.
He'll be on his Iphone at Starbucks plotting a response.
No, but at least those sort of decisions won't be made by people trying to keep stock holders happy. Do I believe the government is some sort of magical fix-all? Sh!t no, but I think its a better option than some white collar criminal padding the bottom line at the expense of the health of me and my family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/yMEXSJNHsn8&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/yMEXSJNHsn8&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
It starts 2 minutes in. I can only speak for myself but its a pretty good synopsis of my opinion on this matter.
Well, if she posted it on facebook, clearly it must be true. No other media outlet has the reputation,integrity and high editing/fact checking abilities of such a distinguished outlet. Except for maybe the Onion.
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I wonder if Down's Syndrome is considered a pre-existing condition...
Thats a great question. I wonder what Ms Palin is doing for health care coverage now? If she has a lapse in coverage her little Down's baby will never be able to get coverage because of "pre-existing condition".
Palin is falling back to the whole eugenics 'movement' of the 30's (and back further in history a la 'left out on the ice to die'). I do a staff training on the historical view of people w/ disabilities.
Unfortunately, it seems that she would use her son to enhance the fear mongering. That is truly the sad part of it all. Another kid with a disability USED.
Unfortunately, it seems that she would use her son to enhance the fear mongering. That is truly the sad part of it all. Another kid with a disability USED.
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You realize that email is not a secure form of communication? Anyone who wants to can read your emails, but I doubt it would be worth the effort.
Well, the government can't [legally] intercept an email without a warrant while in transit if it's either inside the US or involves a US citizen. That requires a Title 3 warrant, actually, per the electronic communications protection act or whatever it's called, and is an even higher standard of proof than a normal warrant. It's the same as tapping a phone.
The difference with email is that when you send email to someone else, the email is by necessity stored by a third party. That third party can do what it likes (Constitutionally, although I'm sure there are some federal laws that mitigate this) with that info, including turning it over to the government if it so chooses. (Or is forced to by subpoena...)
If you value your privacy, don't use email for private communications. Use the phone or talk in person. Not because the gov't is reading it all, but AOL is storing it on their servers. Just because you think something's private doesn't mean it is or ever has been.
Other info that's not private: phone numbers you've dialed, because the phone company as a third party has records of times, numbers, and durations of calls, or the fact that one party has written a letter to another party, because the address info is voluntarily disclosed to a third party in order to effect delivery. The contents of your calls and emails, which only concern the initiator and recipient of the message, are Constitutionally protected, however.
Still, if you say you don't know someone and your phone records show you called him regularly, they don't need a wiretap to show you're lying...
All of that is technically true and realistically false.
Every email you've ever sent has been through the computers at the NSA. AT&T made sure that happened. And if you're ever in court on something like that and wish to challenge it, you won't be allowed because the fact that the government is illegally spying on Americans is a state secret.
Neat, huh?
LOL...
No iphone. No Starbucks...
Just me and my friends at the lake wakeboarding and riding. Wish you were there.
Wait... Sarah has a facebook page? I'll be right back!! Maybe she will add me as a friend.
You just let the cat out of the bag!!
Thank you George Bush, Dick Cheney and post 9/11 panic attacks...
this was going on prior to 9/11.
You're back. Hope you dug bullard's bar.
Now read the bill, recognize your mistakes and why you keep getting told you're misinformed.
That program with ATT was authorized by Bush after 9/11 in 2002, not before. They were installed in 2003:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70908
I jacked up my shoulder diving off the houseboat. Never rode...
No time for the bill today. Off to my 2nd job so I can pay off my debts.
Just keep in mind the more you avoid the very topics you bring up, the less credibility you'll ever have.
Besides, it sounds like now we both have time. I just put a giant vagina in my elbow at northstar this weekend.
Besides, it sounds like now we both have time. I just put a giant vagina in my elbow at northstar this weekend.
Here ya go freak.
This is the result of the government taking your freedom from emails you willingly send in.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
Fvcking terrifying.
This is the result of the government taking your freedom from emails you willingly send in.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
Fvcking terrifying.
Hah! Take that RR!!
It's already gone. Corporate interests rule everything. One of my senators is not doing the job the people of this state elected him for, he is explicitly pandering to the health insurance lobby. That is not democracy.
The great victory that the right, the corporations, and the ultra-rich have pulled off over the last 30 years is to raise an army of brain-dead morons to champion the rights of the elite at the expense of the common man.
So private spurlicked, report for duty.