[dante]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40504582/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

Anyone else *really* hoping that the Democrats call the GOP's bluff and just allow the tax cuts to expire for everybody? I mean, this whole "negotiating" thing is complete bullsh!t since the Democrats offered to raise the limit on which tax cuts were extended to $1m / year. Still, the GOP blocked it. "Negotiating" is where each side gives a little, as opposed to one side sitting on their hands and blocking everything that doesn't conform, 100% to their own view.

So I say, screw it, let them all expire and have the GOP explain why they wouldn't extend the tax cuts for everyone making less than a million dollars per year.

 

[Pesqueeb]

So I say, screw it, let them all expire and have the GOP explain why they wouldn't extend the tax cuts for everyone making less than a million dollars per year.

Obama will cave and the republitards will get thier way, its all the dems know how to do.

 

[Beef Supreme]

The Democrats remind me of the South Park episode where Cartman enters the Special Olympics.

 

[FlyinPolack]

How much of a tax break are the common rabble getting anyway? Saving a measly $100.00 a year or so won't do **** for the broke people.

 

[X3pilot]

Neither side cares about the tax cuts. This is about posturing and the game of politics. I hope they expire as well. At my rate, what's another 4% or so? F it, to see both sides of the political spectrum burn over this would be fun. In a perfect world, the electorate would rise up and run all the 40 year plus career pols out on a rail and elect a new breed of legislators.

'Mericu will elect someone like Palin.

 

[ohio]

So I say, screw it, let them all expire

Which is what a responsible government would be doing anyway. Seriously, this is a layup. The correct policy is to do absolutely nothing. How can they **** this up?

 

[DamienC]

Obama will cave and the republitards will get thier way, its all the dems know how to do.

You're like Nostradamus.

 

[KavuRider]

Instead of; America, F*ck Yeah!

It is now; American, DERP

 

[ohio]

How can they **** this up?

As only the democrats can.

 

[stoney]

Our govt really needs to do some 'source of the problem' analysis instead or trying to fix the symptoms.

 

[dante]

Our govt really needs to do some 'source of the problem' analysis instead or trying to fix the symptoms.

Hmmm, after we instituted tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, our revenues plummeted.



Wow, that was hard.

 

[Pesqueeb]

 

[dante]

Do the Democrats not understand that the whole Republican idea is to kick the can down the road for 2 years so that then it's a presidential campaign issue? Are they that fvcking retarded? Apparently so...

 

[Pesqueeb]

Are they that fvcking retarded?

Yes. On top of being spineless pussies.

 

[dante]

God bless George Voinovich (R). Now I guess we just need 39 more senators to feel the same way?

 

[stoney]

I am fully in support of this tax increase, given we end unemployment at 1 year.

 

[dan-o]

I am fully in support of this tax increase, given we end unemployment at 1 year.

I don't think that will happen.
The lost jobs, IMO, aren't coming back; there simply isn't a need now that the bubble economy is gone.
Couple that with diminished retirement funds requiring people to work longer and the bulk of the unemployed are FUBAR for the time being.

 

[jonKranked]

Do the Democrats not understand that the whole Republican idea is to kick the can down the road for 2 years so that then it's a presidential campaign issue? Are they that fvcking retarded? Apparently so...

swap democrat and republican and the statement is still true.

I am fully in support of this tax increase, given we end unemployment at 1 year.

I don't think that will happen.
The lost jobs, IMO, aren't coming back; there simply isn't a need now that the bubble economy is gone.
Couple that with diminished retirement funds requiring people to work longer and the bulk of the unemployed are FUBAR for the time being.

part of the problem is that in certain instances there's little incentive to get off unemployment, so people just ride it out.

 

[dante]

I am fully in support of this tax increase, given we end unemployment at 1 year.

What does one have to do with the other? Other than your idea of "getting back" at all of the people who have been laid off? Letting the tax cuts expire is necessary to the long-term health of our fiscal budget. The same can't be said for punishing people unemployed while there is almost 10% unemployment in this country (and another 10% of underemployed).

 

[jonKranked]

What does one have to do with the other? Other than your idea of "getting back" at all of the people who have been laid off? Letting the tax cuts expire is necessary to the long-term health of our fiscal budget. The same can't be said for punishing people unemployed while there is almost 10% unemployment in this country (and another 10% of underemployed).

in some cases, yes. I know someone who got laid off a year ago and has passed on job offers because unemployment "paid" better.

 

[X3pilot]

What does one have to do with the other? Other than your idea of "getting back" at all of the people who have been laid off? Letting the tax cuts expire is necessary to the long-term health of our fiscal budget. The same can't be said for punishing people unemployed while there is almost 10% unemployment in this country (and another 10% of underemployed).

Along with a lot of other measures, yes.

 

[stoney]

What does one have to do with the other? Other than your idea of "getting back" at all of the people who have been laid off? Letting the tax cuts expire is necessary to the long-term health of our fiscal budget. The same can't be said for punishing people unemployed while there is almost 10% unemployment in this country (and another 10% of underemployed).

Like JonKranked said. Also, there are jobs out there. People are just too lazy, or too 'good' to do them. Over qualification will be an overhead for years to come. People need to get over their egos and take jobs when they are available.

 

[dante]

Like JonKranked said. Also, there are jobs out there. People are just too lazy, or too 'good' to do them. Over qualification will be an overhead for years to come. People need to get over their egos and take jobs when they are available.

You still didn't answer the question as to what it had to do with either the tax cuts or the long-term health of our economy. Separate issue for your "wish list", sure, but relevant to the conversation now? Nope.

 

[stoney]

Like I said, I'll take the tax increase if UE benefits are limited to 1 year. It's two parts: 1 - cut spending, 2 - increase revs

 

[Dartman]

Think the Repubs and the whiney liberals might be getting to the Obama at the end of today's news conference...

 

[dante]

Like I said, I'll take the tax increase if UE benefits are limited to 1 year. It's two parts: 1 - cut spending, 2 - increase revs

It's always cute to see conservatives offer to cut spending that they hate in the first place...

 

[stoney]

My pride kept me from being unemployed. After I was let go at MS, I got a job at a bike shop, and doing odd jobs. I was on unemployment for 4 months and took a job paying $30k less, so I could get off of UE.
and we've gone over this before, I am just a fiscal conservative. if its not there, don't spend it. if you have to take money from.those who.are able to give to those who are unwilling, get out of my wallet. those who are truly unable deserve the help more.

 

[stoney]

We also need to grossly cut military spending, and end the two policing actions we have undertaken. That should scrub a few trillion of.deficit spending. I also am.firmly for pay-go spending, but only after debt commitments are paid. Cutting govt employment expenses? Definitely. Why are we paying for beraucracy again? Also, if the entire country is getting pay.cuts, why aren't govt employees?
The log is too.fat, cut it down.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Too many.random. periods makes.squirrel not able to compre.hend your.babble.

Oh wait, it's the same as it always has been. Self-serving.

Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[X3pilot]

We also need to grossly cut military spending, and end the two policing actions we have undertaken. That should scrub a few trillion of.deficit spending. I also am.firmly for pay-go spending, but only after debt commitments are paid. Cutting govt employment expenses? Definitely. Why are we paying for beraucracy again? Also, if the entire country is getting pay.cuts, why aren't govt employees?
The log is too.fat, cut it down.

Yeah, cut 2 billion in government (and associated contractors pay) to make a swipe at a 13 trillion deficit. Which will also drive down other pay in the private sector, since they will adopt the "well, if government is cutting, so can we) but let's keep sending billions to a corrupt puppet regime in Afghanistan, propping up a doomed system in Iraq, funding a war machine fighting a war we will never win, subsidizing special interest banks and finance corporations all the while wringing our hands over a few percentage of tax increase for Americans that will figure out a way to hide their income anyway. Meanwhile the Fed keeps making money and driving down the value of a our currency so that our Arab "allies" can invest and drive up the cost of a barrel of oil so gas goes through the roof and those unemployed "slackers" you complain about can't afford to drive around to job interviews so the cycle continues.

 

[stevew]

Change we can believe in.

 

[stoney]

Too many.random. periods makes.squirrel not able to compre.hend your.babble.

Oh wait, it's the same as it always has been. Self-serving.

Nothing to see here, move along.

the . is close to the space bar on droid incredible. I will sort it once I get used to the kb.

 

[stoney]

Yeah, cut 2 billion in government (and associated contractors pay) to make a swipe at a 13 trillion deficit. Which will also drive down other pay in the private sector, since they will adopt the "well, if government is cutting, so can we) but let's keep sending billions to a corrupt puppet regime in Afghanistan, propping up a doomed system in Iraq, funding a war machine fighting a war we will never win, subsidizing special interest banks and finance corporations all the while wringing our hands over a few percentage of tax increase for Americans that will figure out a way to hide their income anyway. Meanwhile the Fed keeps making money and driving down the value of a our currency so that our Arab "allies" can invest and drive up the cost of a barrel of oil so gas goes through the roof and those unemployed "slackers" you complain about can't afford to drive around to job interviews so the cycle continues.

*Policing actions = Afghanistan and Iraq. We have not declared war. That should be a couple of trillion.
*You know I can't comment on anything financal.
*Maybe Assange might be onto something with the Wikileaks. Some of the info coming out shows how back-handed the govt is vs. what is told to us.

I've said this before, but we are Rome, and the Gaul's are approaching quickly.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

the . is close to the space bar on droid incredible. I will sort it once I get used to the kb.

Yeah, I figured it was a mobile device because my texts look the same way sometimes.