I found it rather amusing that one of the "facts" that they trotted out was that Gore's house is 20 rooms and it includes a guest house.
Well that makes it better.
Well that makes it better.
You really should get that stick out of your ass.
You aren't funny like you used to be.
algore is the president of suck.
Maybe he could sell that environment hating heap he lives in now and buy something like this
bring it over to cheney's mansion...$186,000 spent on electricity in 2001? holy christ...
avg elec bill for just about anyone in the people's republik of DC
aside from that... who was it that lived there for the previos 8 years prior to Cheney again..???
no345
I wonder what Dan Quayle pays for electricity?
small potatoes
Yup. I think we did too when we lived in Cali... I didn't pay the bill when I lived in AZ so I don't know about that.
Well given that making your house energy efficient is expensive in the beginning it seems that the rich should be taking the lead here simply because they can. How about a law where any house over a certain size must use energy effecient and/or environmentally sustainable practices? I have a lot energy saving devices in my house, brought the cost up but the other end is that my electricity bill is three quarters what it was in my old apartment despite the house being twice the size.
The fact that n8 is more than likely building houses that are more energy efficient than the ones most of the posters in this thread are currently living in is kind of amusing.
Carry on prancing about telling everyone how much you care about the enviorment.
Carry on prancing about telling everyone how much you care about the enviorment.
Speak for yourself......bugger me every bastard seems to be on the rag around here. What's wrong?
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How am I on the rag?Speak for yourself......bugger me every bastard seems to be on the rag around here. What's wrong?
It was said with tongue in cheek.
I would love to build myself a new home, using sustainable materials, renewable energy sources etc, but the cost is astronomical in the UK. It remains a goal, but for most people it is utterly unachievable.
I have stopped printing every thread here though.
I have stopped printing every thread here though.
Easy tiger... methinks thou art a little sensitive thyself today my olde mucker.Speak for yourself......bugger me every bastard seems to be on the rag around here. What's wrong?
Baby steps, man... baby steps.
Very approved.
probably true, but then again i'm guessing that most people don't like in a new house.
it's kinda like the difference between driving a 20 y/o car and a new one. unfortunately, it's harder to swap houses than cars.
that said, we replaced our windows and our boiler in the last few years, and use radiant heat for the newer addition.
Of course you have to factor in the pollution caused by manufacture. Most cars pollute less in use than in manufacture.
???
a car is rather passive before it's pushed off the assembly line, no?
perhaps you meant the process of manufacturing, which if even, would be distributed across all vehicles for the lifetime of the machinery.
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would this not be more egregious for mass transit vehicles?
Perhaps he meant producing of all the metal etc that makes up cars. After all rubber doesn't grow on trees you know.
well i think he's talking about mining the metal to make both the parts and the robotics, making the electricity to power the factory, energy used in the distribution, etc.
Apparently it creates more pollution to manufacture a car than most cars generate in the lifetime of use. Ergo upgrading your car every few years is more polluting than using a 20 year old model.
Class. Back on form, had a quick five knuckle shuffle?
look, i yield to noone when it comes to disdain for our overindulgent lifestyles, but i don't think it's wise to suppress technological gains all in the name of so-called conservation. if we are to upgrade technology for the benefit of more greeny efficiency, it should then follow we upgrade our cars, windows in our houses, appliances, and of course bikes (if any of you weanies actually ride).
how many threads have you started in the Ride Reports forum?
i much prefer to masturbate to an audience of one.how many threads have you started in the Ride Reports forum?
dog food is getting expensive. good cost-cutting measure.
Carrot and stick, not shackles, my friend. We've taken baby steps in the form of subsidizing greener methods, materials, and technologies to reduce the cost difference. Benefits both the rich and the poor, as well as helping manufacturers of greener products ramp up production numbers and R&D to reduce costs.
Next step would be to tax certain materials/methods (e.g. electric heaters, high flow showerheads/toilets, hardwoods, etc.) and higher utility bills. Think of a gas guzzler tax on houses. People would flip their ****, and you'd have to probably grandfather most houses in (or help pay for major upgrades) but it's not that a tough calculation to figure out how much to tax and which techs to subsidize.
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emph mine.
the tennessean
to be sure, his hands are clean, if only because they wash each other.
he is indeed a profit of doom
reason #487,453,987,999 why America kicks ASS!