are you brain damaged? NOTE THE VICTIM IN THIS SENTENCE. NOTE THE NEGLEGENCE OF THE DRIVER. Is it as serious as running down some chick who wouldn't return your phone calls? Obviously not. Still a crime? Yes.
Got arrested last night.
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yeah its not good to break two laws at once stay home on the holidays
don't make it that easy for them thats what my Dad always told me
and those tri beams are the cats ass
You have no idea what you're talking about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
Natural law and a state of nature (which is what we believed the native americans lived under) are very different concepts. One comes from hobbes, one of the more authoritarian thinkers of modern philosophy, and the other was articulated by Aristotle and then Locke and then Jefferson. These thinkers, Jefferson in particular, believed that when a political system deviated from natural law it was morally legitimate to overthrow it and replace it with a more responsible group of leaders. That the moral law types have crept in and infected our political system with ideas like those you evidently believe demonstrates this country's sickness not its health.
Considering you live in Quebec, I find this extremely hard to believe. Very analy picky of your friends perhaps
Also manimal, while we're talking about history, the country was "being formed" as you say in the late 18th century after the french and indian wars caused the british empire to impose higher taxes and regulatory controls on the colonies.
Moreover, the legislation or morality did not come into fashion and was in fact totally avoided until the progressive era in the last few years of the 19th century. That when we started sterilizing prostitutes, forcibly institutionalizing the mentally ill, and banning all sorts of previously accepted behavior (like drinking alcohol). The progressive idea that social rights trump individual rights was also popular in tsarist russia around the same time, they were just a bit more successful at selling it over there.
Having lived in a communist country myself, you have no idea how much the ideas you advocate have in common with socialist philosophy.
Moreover, the legislation or morality did not come into fashion and was in fact totally avoided until the progressive era in the last few years of the 19th century. That when we started sterilizing prostitutes, forcibly institutionalizing the mentally ill, and banning all sorts of previously accepted behavior (like drinking alcohol). The progressive idea that social rights trump individual rights was also popular in tsarist russia around the same time, they were just a bit more successful at selling it over there.
Having lived in a communist country myself, you have no idea how much the ideas you advocate have in common with socialist philosophy.
See if the lawyer can either get you a suspended sentance, your records sealed, or expunged...Im getting a lawyer and plan on pleading guilty in court with some nice clothes on. My lawyer said that i should expect community service and 6 months of probo.
But, this was an expensive mistake and is going to cost me around 500 bucks to clear up. Eh, what are you gunna do? So there goes some money but over all im not to worried about it.
Thanks to all who offered advice. And to all of those who did not, i hope you feel better soon.
down the road this matter could get in the way of a carreer path...
Oh here we go, another radical saying that cops and politicians are evil and we need a revolution. Wonderful. 
It may sound radical to you, but the ideas I'm expressing are not new. If you knew your own history, you would know how radical the constitution and the declaration of independence were.Oh here we go, another radical saying that cops and politicians are evil and we need a revolution. Wonderful.
The fact that our state has slipped back to "government as usual" pains me deeply and I'm doing my best to make sure people like you dont wake up one day living under a dictator. I don't think another american revolution is necessary yet, but dont start believing that it can never or should never happen again.
I hear the government coming to take your guns. Quick, get the handgrenades.
Edit: Also very touching that you're looking out for my interests. You sound just like the government you're claiming to dispise.
NYAH! SOMEONE SAYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT! BURN THE WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!I hear the government coming to take your guns. Quick, get the handgrenades.
Edit: Also very touching that you're looking out for my interests. You sound just like the government you're claiming to dispise.
stupid people ftw.
How so?
To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the virtue nor the wisdom to do so.
To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished.
It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then at the slightest resistence, the first word of complaint, to be repressed fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed;
And to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality.
- PJ Proudhon, "General Idea of Revolution in the 19th Century"
To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the virtue nor the wisdom to do so.
To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished.
It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then at the slightest resistence, the first word of complaint, to be repressed fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed;
And to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality.
- PJ Proudhon, "General Idea of Revolution in the 19th Century"
When Jefferson was raping his slaves was he deviating from natural law? Was he morally legitimate by making illegitimate kids?
Your posts wreak of the college know it all hippie. You take a couple of history/plilosophy classes taught by a guy who wears socks with his sandles and now you are ready to school the world on how it should be ran.
There is no need to make this complicated.
I can make it real simple
You are attacking guys like Manimal who are city/county cops.
They round up violent crackheads so you can go to the ATM at night, and not get a bottle broken over you head and your hemp wallet stolen.
What the heck does natural law and american revolutions have to do with a teenager getting caught with a little pot?
mack = the founding father of the United States of Whiny Teenagers
Did you read the posts? I don't hate cops, but they don't get my respect just because of the job they have chosen. They have to earn it like everyone else, and I believe they have some explaining to do on the points I have mentioned. I was mad principally because he butchered American history, not because he's a cop.
Also, there are plenty of people with dirty, dangerous, difficult, socially useful jobs that dont include putting innocent people in jail.
Also, there are plenty of people with dirty, dangerous, difficult, socially useful jobs that dont include putting innocent people in jail.
I may be a rich white college boy and you may be a crusty street-wise whatever it is you do Jeremy, but you have no idea what I've seen. I'm sure the sum total of my ****ed up experiences growing up in this city are just a day in your life, but I've personally known people to die of heroin overdoses, become cokeheads and get clean again, become drug dealers and quit, get beaten, stabbed, shot, killed, and arrested. I've met some very nasty violent crackheads and some perfectly friendly ones. I know the people who go to yale and the people who rip off the people who go to yale.
I don't have all the answers about how the country should be run, but reading some books and going to school certainly shouldn't disqualify my ideas. As for hippy professors, you cant blame them; I did this all on my own.
If you think things can continue as they are off into the sunset you're just not paying attention. At least I'm trying to figure this mess out, not just sitting here waiting for somebody else to do it.
I don't have all the answers about how the country should be run, but reading some books and going to school certainly shouldn't disqualify my ideas. As for hippy professors, you cant blame them; I did this all on my own.
If you think things can continue as they are off into the sunset you're just not paying attention. At least I'm trying to figure this mess out, not just sitting here waiting for somebody else to do it.
Because people have sticks up their asses about this DANGEROUS, malicious teen with an ounce of weed. Getting high isn't hurting anyone, people shouldn't jump on this kid about it.
I agree that the pot-growing industry (the non-closet/basement style one) is bad, but cops should be going after the real criminals that grow the stuff and actually harm people and the environment.
ok, I'm leaving.
PaWN in 3...2...1...
I'd love to see the supporting evidence for that statement.
Yeah, raping was too harsh of a word.
I should have said making sweet love to his property.
It's hard for property to say no.
It rises to the level of statuatory rape, at least...
hehehe.
well we agree that jefferson was probably a slave raping habitual debting france loving scumbag.
However, none of that detracts from his political philosophy which is predicated on the idea that politicians are flawed people who probably can't be trusted to run anything. He should know, right?
We may not be slave rapists or whatever, but who of us can say that we've never done something that hurt somebody else, something we regreted?
Politicians are only human. The point of my arguements is that when you let people tell other people how to live you're on thin ice.
well we agree that jefferson was probably a slave raping habitual debting france loving scumbag.
However, none of that detracts from his political philosophy which is predicated on the idea that politicians are flawed people who probably can't be trusted to run anything. He should know, right?
We may not be slave rapists or whatever, but who of us can say that we've never done something that hurt somebody else, something we regreted?
Politicians are only human. The point of my arguements is that when you let people tell other people how to live you're on thin ice.
Please...I've been in the locker room with black guys. Jefferson was a toothpick compared to what was out cutting cotton in the fields...
Ok, miniature pony.
this degenerated rapidly.
You don't pay for it, I have my own insurance. I also don't car jack and invade homes to steal a TV to get my next hit. Sorry. I have a perfectly valid point.
What do you think happens when you bust your head riding your bike? You pay for your insurance but your insurance pays for your healthcare and then other people pay more for their insurance. Are you an irresponsible social parasite? I don't know you but I suspect you would argue no.
If you believe that drugs should be banned because they impose externalities on unrelated people you should take econ 101. Lots of activities impose externalities, but we tax them or negotiate other arrangements so that the true costs are more closely represented by the market price.
Lets say treatment of addiction costs the taxpayer a billion a year. Ok, you divide a billion by the number of grams of pot sold each year and there is your tax. The users pay for the damage they might cause to society, just like liability insurance.
How is that a worse solution than prohibition?
If you believe that drugs should be banned because they impose externalities on unrelated people you should take econ 101. Lots of activities impose externalities, but we tax them or negotiate other arrangements so that the true costs are more closely represented by the market price.
Lets say treatment of addiction costs the taxpayer a billion a year. Ok, you divide a billion by the number of grams of pot sold each year and there is your tax. The users pay for the damage they might cause to society, just like liability insurance.
How is that a worse solution than prohibition?
C'mon, I know you're smart enough to know how the concept of insurance works. You're spreading risk around.
Boozehounds breaking into houses isn't a huge problem either. Ever wonder why that is?
its alot easier to talk about sex than it is to take a look at whats really going on in this world, especially when its a different point of view
I mean, we can talk about sex in this context too but that might just invite a disatrous end to what I feel has been a very interesting thread. If you hadnt guessed yet, I think gay people should be able to screw in peace and get married if they want and that the women I knock up should be able to get clean safe abortions.
All flaming aside, I think the ridemonkey crowd is a pretty representative cross sample of the population and I really do value the opportunity to talk to/at people who think differently than me.
I need to be challenged because it makes me review my position and dig a little deeper each time. I don't think any of you have shaken me from my libertarian foundations and I doubt I've changed any minds, but maybe we'll all be a little more thoughtful for it. . . maybe?
There are lots of perspectives out there and usually we get precisely 2.
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Mack is not a Scottsboro boy. He was driving around a little messed up and got busted. It is not the end of the world.
I think cops are a mixed bag, with the huge problem that the bad ones have guns and the law on their side. But the majority of cops seem like decent people to me. One lives next to my parents, and I rather him as my next-door neighbor than a student radical.
To indict cops, who are mostly decent working class people, in the history of American injustice, is ridiculous. And to make a generalization that every person arrested is innocent is very laughable.
Your 10 cent education really has head screwed up. Why don't you walk around your neighborhood and open your eyes...
your mom got arrested last night...
As a legal substance many drugs would drastically reduce in price...I thought that was kind of a "duh" thing.
Smuggling/growing/cooking isn't low-risk, so it's not cheap.
Sure price may drop, only to be ridiculously taxed of course. The thing is, crack heads with $0 will still B&E to grab something they can pawn to pay for their next hit. The urge and addiction is that strong. It is a much stronger chemical dependancy than booze is (although probably not cigarettes). It is also much more widespread ie: amost everyone who tries it, becomes addicted.
Much of alcohol is a physchological dependancy, which is why you can see it run in families. An addictive personality will predispose you to it (much like pot, as there is absolutely no chemical dependancy there). Some alcoholics will report they were addicted from the first drop, much like heroin addicts. Most of us can drink like fish in college and not become addicted. Heroin is much the same, and is due to a balance of certain substances in the brain. Most research scientists on this will tell you that opiods will almost certainly make you chemically dependent as they actually alter the balance in the brain. Even a small amount for a short time will cause you to become an addict.
Long story short, some drugs will almost be a certain path to addiction for any user, legalized or not. Alcohol is not one of these drugs for most people.
Yes, I have done way too much research on addictions for a paper i wrote a long time ago.
For the record, I have no issue with people smoking pot at all. It has nothing in it to cause a chemical dependency, it doesn't hurt those around you and quite frankly, it smells a whole lot better than tobacco and lacks the nasty substances in processed tobacco.
Currently however, it is illegal, like it or not. So if you knowingly carry it and get busted, it's your own fault for lacking common sense.
cops are not the source of all injustice in our society, they are just where the rubber meets the road. They are the visible uniformed agents of injustice when it takes place.
i never said that every person or even most of the people cops arrest are innocent, but enough are under my definition of crime to make me not become a cop.
i never said that every person or even most of the people cops arrest are innocent, but enough are under my definition of crime to make me not become a cop.
I rather you just say you hate cops because they are a bunch of pigs than a part of conspiracy against the innocent.cops are not the source of all injustice in our society, they are just where the rubber meets the road. They are the visible uniformed agents of injustice when it takes place.
i never said that every person or even most of the people cops arrest are innocent, but enough are under my definition of crime to make me not become a cop.
Your dependency on generalization will fail your Philosophy 101 class.
have you smoked crack? drugs certainly didn't make me do a b&e.
but for the sake of argument lets say the guy takes the tv. the cops are going to laugh at you when you report it. they are too busy busting the big dealers and smugglers to care about $200 bucks some loser pinched off you. what changes if it's legal? cops have time to deal with real crime. the court system isnt filled with kids and $500 an hour lawyers arguing that the search wasn't legal. cops arent forced to go around sticking their noses into every car that they stop, and they arent worried that some jacked up mule is going to shoot them in the head. perhaps most importantly, i'm not forced to deal with inconvenience and scumbags when i want to relax.
but for the sake of argument lets say the guy takes the tv. the cops are going to laugh at you when you report it. they are too busy busting the big dealers and smugglers to care about $200 bucks some loser pinched off you. what changes if it's legal? cops have time to deal with real crime. the court system isnt filled with kids and $500 an hour lawyers arguing that the search wasn't legal. cops arent forced to go around sticking their noses into every car that they stop, and they arent worried that some jacked up mule is going to shoot them in the head. perhaps most importantly, i'm not forced to deal with inconvenience and scumbags when i want to relax.