[Iron Mike]

Mack,
In case you're still reading this, all these guys have missed the most major point while on their soap boxes.. And that is whether it was a legal stop. If the only reason they gave for stopping you is that your car had been hit by paintballs, which is not illegal, then the stop was illegal and everything resulting from it is inadmissable. Find a great attorney (Think $5000) and this should be dismissed.

 

[skatetokil]

people say "that cop was an asshole so all cops must be assholes" when in fact they just had an encounter with an asshole cop. Even if a cop is perfectly nice he can still be responsible for action i consider unjust.

i've rarely had cops be anything but courteous and helpful to me, but i'm not a black male or an immigrant or a petty drug dealer or a prostitute.

 

[Transcend]

have you smoked crack? drugs certainly didn't make me do a b&e.

but for the sake of argument lets say the guy takes the tv. the cops are going to laugh at you when you report it. they are too busy busting the big dealers and smugglers to care about $200 bucks some loser pinched off you. what changes if it's legal? cops have time to deal with real crime. the court system isnt filled with kids and $500 an hour lawyers arguing that the search wasn't legal. cops arent forced to go around sticking their noses into every car that they stop, and they arent worried that some jacked up mule is going to shoot them in the head. perhaps most importantly, i'm not forced to deal with inconvenience and scumbags when i want to relax.

Get real, you are making all sorts of red herring arguments. You know full well that crack heads and opioid addicts looking for their next hit will do ANYTHING to raise the cash. This is not make believe, this is how it is with a raging chemical dependency that makes every part of your body scream for that hit.

I don't know what slum you live in, but the cops in my town are busy railing in drunk drivers, stoned drivers and gang problems. They will dutifully show up and take a police report when a home invasion takes place, and will then try and track down the perp.

You self-righteous, "stoners are good people and cops are evil" bs is getting tired.

 

[skatetokil]

no conspiracy, its right out in the open when our politicians come out and run on the platform that they will legislate according to their narrow moralities.

 

[Transcend]

Mack,
In case you're still reading this, all these guys have missed the most major point I think while o their soap boxes.. And that is whether it was a legal stop. If the only reason they gave for stopping you is that your car had been hit by paintballs, which is not illegal, then the stop was illegal and everything resulting from it is inadmissable. Find a great attorney (Think $5000) and this should be dismissed.

Please. They had reports of kids being stupid in cars with paintball markers. They see car covered in paint. They pull you over, completely legit stop. Failing that, they tell the judge that you were "acting suspiciously", probably cause complete, perfectly legit stop.

 

[skatetokil]

I live in DC. They take a report, put it in a file and never think of it again.

 

[Transcend]

I live in DC. They take a report, put it in a file and never think of it again.

In that case, your police suck. I have had stolen bikes, stolen electronics etc recovered. One (documented on here actually) involved an international, coast to coast bike recovery effort involving the rcmp and organized crime.

 

[skatetokil]

the point i was making with the "red herring" argument was that it is possible though difficult to use so called "hard drugs" responsibly. we don't see the people who do coke on weekends or smoke some meth before a rave or even shoot up every once in a while cause it feels like 300 orgasms at once and they like it. we see the human trash junkies and rotting-on-the-bone tweekers.

is there a risk that you will become addicted? hell yeah. is there a risk i'll be riding my bike and break my neck? yes. whats the difference? flirting with risk makes life worth living, and we have to trust that adult human beings will be able to manage the risks in their lives.

 

[Transcend]

the point i was making with the "red herring" argument was that it is possible though difficult to use so called "hard drugs" responsibly. we don't see the people who do coke on weekends or smoke some meth before a rave or even shoot up every once in a while cause it feels like 300 orgasms at once and they like it. we see the human trash junkies and rotting-on-the-bone tweekers.

is there a risk that you will become addicted? hell yeah. is there a risk i'll be riding my bike and break my neck? yes. whats the difference? flirting with risk makes life worth living, and we have to trust that adult human beings will be able to manage the risks in their lives.

Cocaine isn't chemically addictive, FYI. I've dealt with meth heads, they are almost as bad as heroin addicts and the chemical dependency is just as fierce. They are also dangerous as hell when hopped up, although not nearly as much as PCP.

Also, method of use has a TON to do with the dependency - smoking vs mainlining etc.

The problem with this is...you can't legalize and say you can only smoke it, you can't inject it. So you have to cut it off for everyone.

Face it, hard drugs are illegal for a reason. It isn't a gigantic conspiracy. It is for public safety. Would legalizing them save the state money? Absolutely, and they could tax it as well. But not building roads or providing fire depts would also save the state/county etc money.

The problem is, you'd now have a ton of hopped up, socially irresponsible, worthless screwups hopped up on their drug of choice and sucking at the teat of the welfare and health systems on every corner begging for money or breaking and entering etc. Making it "ok" would be an absolute disaster of epic proportions.

 

[skatetokil]

Cocaine isn't chemically addictive, FYI. I've dealt with meth heads, they are almost as bad as heroin addicts and the chemical dependency is just as fierce. They are also dangerous as hell when hopped up, although not nearly as much as PCP.

people who are already crazy self medicate with these drugs. not everybody who smokes meth gets violent. some get really happy. go to any college and you'll see.

 

[skatetokil]

i think you underestimate the deterrent effect that seeing human trash drug addicts has on people.

 

[Transcend]

not everybody

Key part of that sentence left for effect. The problem is the vast majority do.

It is also ridiculously addictive due to the release of dopamines it causes. The widthdrawal is tortuous and many cannot function even remotely normally when on it, or when craving a hit.

 

[skatetokil]

i could make 2 phone calls and have heroin in my arm tonite. drugs are everywhere and you're never going to make them go away. why? because people want to sell them and other people want to buy them.

when a law is obviously unenforcable and unjust you cant just ignore it.

5 years ago it was E that was going to bring civilization to its knees, before that it was crack and before that it was smack. now its meth.

not to sound like a hippy, but why do you swallow the drug war propaganda that our society would unravel if people were permitted to get high?

 

[Iron Mike]

Please. They had reports of kids being stupid in cars with paintball markers. They see car covered in paint. They pull you over, completely legit stop. Failing that, they tell the judge that you were "acting suspiciously", probably cause complete, perfectly legit stop.

Dude, I just went through 17 pages and couldn't find anywhere Mack mentioned any vandalism. And cops can't pull you over just out of suspicion. I know the law and if having piantball paint on his car is the true reason on the report as to why he was pulled over, then he could have admitted to murder and had the body in the trunk. The confessiona nd evidence would be inadmissable.

 

[Transcend]

i could make 2 phone calls and have heroin in my arm tonite. drugs are everywhere and you're never going to make them go away. why? because people want to sell them and other people want to buy them.

when a law is obviously unenforcable and unjust you cant just ignore it.

Of course you will never make it go away. People still screw sheep, murder and rape as well.

Not being able to control something 100% and therefore making it completely legal are completely different things.

We can't keep people from doing lots of stupid things, it doesn't mean it should be made legal. If you don't think that legalizing heroin would cause a meteoric rise in it's use and burden the health, welfare and social welfare sectors of society, you are incredibly naiive.

 

[Transcend]

Dude, I just went through 17 pages and couldn't find anywhere Mack mentioned any vandalism. And cops can't pull you over just out of suspicion. I know the law and if having piantball paint on his car is the true reason on the report as to why he was pulled over, then he could have admitted to murder and had the body in the trunk. The confessiona nd evidence would be inadmissable.

Did you somehow miss the first post then?

One of the kids in my grade shot my car up with some paint balls, and i got pulled over for it.

That's vandalism, just like if they see you near a wall covered in spraypaint with a spray can in your hand, they can detain you to ask questions.

Police can indeed pull you over for looking suspicious. having a car covered in paintball paint is suspicious. Cop was probably thinking "this seems strange, something is out of place".

They can also pull you over if you swerve a bit, if you go 1mph over the limit, if you drive too slow, if they see people in the car action in an odd manner etc. Nothing illegal about any of those, but they are all good reason to pull you over. You may not like it, but they can do it. They can pull you over if you are 4 kids driving a brand new 07 benz in a depressed area of town. It may not be right, but they can do it. Why? Because it just doesn't fit and seems suspicious. They can use any excuse in the book to report it as well including the ever popular, failed to make a complete stop.

Then jumping out of the car, locking the door and sayiing " I don't consent to a search!" is probable cause for a search.

edit: We also don't have the cops side of the story, nor do we probably have all of mack's side. The cop may very well have received a report of gun shots or some nonsense from a neighbour or whatever. That would make them a suspect for being a nuissance and deserving of a talking to, who knows.

 

[skatetokil]

your stupid is my fun. what qualifies you or anyone else to decide for me?

as i have argued, there are ways to mitigate the negative impacts of drugs through legalization. the authoritarian "just say no, drugs are bad" line is worn out. the fact of the matter is you have no business putting in law your beliefs about appropriate lifestyle choices, issues of morality as they pertain to my body, or the things i do in the privacy of my own home. they are beliefs, not facts though you may hold them very dear. if people want to kill themselves with drugs, step back and let them. Repeat after me: "it's not my life."

 

[Transcend]

your stupid is my fun. what qualifies you or anyone else to decide for me?

as i have argued, there are ways to mitigate the negative impacts of drugs through legalization. the authoritarian "just say no, drugs are bad" line is worn out. the fact of the matter is you have no business putting in law your beliefs about appropriate lifestyle choices, issues of morality as they pertain to my body, or the things i do in the privacy of my own home. they are beliefs, not facts though you may hold them very dear. if people want to kill themselves with drugs, step back and let them. Repeat after me: "it's not my life."

It is my business when my tax dollars have to go towards taking care of the addicts. I'd be just as happy if they made all drugs legal and shipped all of the addicts off to a desert island somewhere. They get what they want, and I don't have to deal with all of the people who had their lives destroyed by drugs.

I have every right putting my beliefs into law in a democratic socially reponsible society when they are held by the majority, and better the lives of the majority. Majority rules in a democratic society.

edit: Just because you claim to be a responsible user, doesn't mean that the vast majority of users are.

Legalizing these substances opens the floodgates to all of those who aren't to partake anytime and place they choose, which is undeniably add to the amount of abusers who cannot handle their addictions, and who become a burden on society as a whole, for many reasons.

 

[Iron Mike]

Did you somehow miss the first post then?



That's vandalism, just like if they see you near a wall covered in spraypaint with a spray can in your hand, they can detain you to ask questions.

Police can indeed pull you over for looking suspicious. They can also pull you over if you swerve a bit, if you go 1mph over the limit, if you drive too slow, if they see people in the car action in an odd manner etc. Nothing illegal about any of those, but they are all good reason to pull you over.

Then jumping out of the car, locking the door and sayiing " I don't consent to a search!" is probable cause for a search.

No, living in a house that's been tagged doesn't make you the tagger.

Yes, they can pull you over for anything, even just to ask you your number for a date. And, when he stops you to ask for your number, he can arrest you for drunk driving. But he has no evidence to win his case because the stop was illegal.

There's a real case that was lost by the State of Utah where a cop puller a driver over at 2am after seeing him leave a bar. The reason the cop gave for the stop was seeing a glint/reflection coming from the windshield. After the stop was initiated, the cop saw that the windhield had a two foot long crack, making it illegal. The driver smelled of alchohol and was given sobriety tests and arrested. However, the case was lost because a glint was not enough evidence to initate a stop for a broken windshield.

 

[Transcend]

No, living in a house that's been tagged doesn't make you the tagger.

Yes, they can pull you over for anything, even just to ask you your number for a date. And, when he stops you to ask for your number, he can arrest you for drunk driving. But he has no evidence to win his case because the stop was illegal.

There's a real case that was lost by the State of Utah where a cop puller a driver over at 2am after seeing him leave a bar. The reason the cop gave for the stop was seeing a glint/reflection coming from the windshield. After the stop was initiated, the cop saw that the windhield had a two foot long crack, making it illegal. The driver smelled of alchohol and was given sobriety tests and arrested. However, the case was lost because a glint was not enough evidence to initate a stop for a broken windshield.

Show me the case. I don't believe a single word of that as the driver will simply state "i saw a glint, i followed him and he was driving erratically". This will be perfectly acceptable, perfectly legal and no judge in his right mind will throw out a dui case.

You need to geta better lawyer if any legal advice you have ever received says that police cannot pull you over for acting suspiciously. They don't need a reason to pull you over. Just like they don't need a reason to ask you to show them your bag in the NY subway system. Probable cause can come in many forms, as I am sure manimal will be happy to fill you in on.

Again, 4 kids in a Benz with a busted window in the Ghetto. Guy standing on the corner late at night loitering in a known drug area. Both woudl be probable cause to detain someone for questioning.

edit: In many jurisdictions police are allowed to perform a "routine traffic stop". They do not need to give you any sort of valid reason.

edit #2: gettin sleepy, time to finally get to bed. It's been fun.

 

[Iron Mike]

Show me the case. I don't believe a single word of that as the driver will simply state "i saw a glint, i followed him and he was driving erratically". This will be perfectly acceptable, perfectly legal and no judge in his right mind will throw out a dui case.

You need to geta better lawyer if any legal advice you have ever received says that police cannot pull you over for acting suspiciously. They don't need a reason to pull you over. Just like they don't need a reason to ask you to show them your bag in the NY subway system. Probable cause can come in many forms, as I am sure manimal will be happy to fill you in on.

Again, 4 kids in a Benz with a busted window in the Ghetto. Guy standing on the corner late at night loitering in a known drug area. Both woudl be probable cause to detain someone for questioning.

edit: In many jurisdictions police are allowed to perform a "routine traffic stop". They do not need to give you any sort of valid reason.

edit #2: gettin sleepy, time to finally get to bed. It's been fun.

I'm going to bed too. But this isn't over b/c you're wrong. Why do you have to be so argumentative anyway? So you can reach 10,000 posts by the end of November?

It's our American Constitution that protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures. Thus, the Utah code (Article 1 Section 14) reads that an officer must have reasonable, articulatable suspicion that a crime is being committed before initiating a traffic stop.

Good Judges will throw out any case if the law isn't followed b/c they risk getting overturned if appealed. I'll look up the window glint case tomorrow if it will make you admit you're wrong.

 

[Changleen]

Why do you have to be so argumentative anyway?

Arguing is fun. It's just like a game. If you can get a few people together and have a good argument without too much personal abuse it's all good. Enjoy it. I know you must be enjoying it a bit or you wouldn't have posted so much already.

 

[MMike]

Wouldn't it be funny if mack had made up this whole story?

 

[Reactor]

It'd be even more funny if mack was the internet alter-ego of a cop.

 

[valve bouncer]

Wouldn't it be funny if mack had made up this whole story?

......then I woke up and it was all a dream.

 

[robdamanii]

have you smoked crack? drugs certainly didn't make me do a b&e.

but for the sake of argument lets say the guy takes the tv. the cops are going to laugh at you when you report it. they are too busy busting the big dealers and smugglers to care about $200 bucks some loser pinched off you. what changes if it's legal? cops have time to deal with real crime. the court system isnt filled with kids and $500 an hour lawyers arguing that the search wasn't legal. cops arent forced to go around sticking their noses into every car that they stop, and they arent worried that some jacked up mule is going to shoot them in the head. perhaps most importantly, i'm not forced to deal with inconvenience and scumbags when i want to relax.

You must be kidding me. They're inconveniencing you in your relaxation time? Whine whine whine.

If I'm not mistaken and someone on here who is a cop, please correct me on this, a LOT of "real crime" is VERY related to drugs of any kind. Pinching that kid in a car may lead the cops to the dealer where he got the dope, who may lead to a bunch of other buyers who are ripping off convenience stores for cash to buy a hit.

What you don't understand is that drug posession and "real crime" are not exclusive of one another. Very often they do overlap, so there's quite a valid reason to search some dopehead's car, regardless if you think "the man" is busting your balls or not.

 

[GumbaFish]

I don't even care if crackheads are stealing cars or sitting at home using it for 'recreation'. The point is all of these drugs are illegal, so any discussion over the illegal things they make you do seems invalid. They are already doing something illegal...drugs. Sorry the law is such a problem for all of you. I know its an absurd jump to make but here goes. If it was the same exact situation, they search the car because it was shot by his friends with a paintball gun and maybe they had no real reason to search the car other then it was kids messing around and they found a body in a bag in the trunk would anyone here be saying how it was illegal to search and you better get a lawyer? It sucks you may or may not have gotten searched illegally, but you were still doing something illegal...am I the only one that doesn't see any problem with that. Aren't most drugs found because they get pulled over for having bs stuff like a broken headlight?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

i dont get why certain societies think drugs are a victimles crime, while at the same time they find blood diamonds morally problematic.

the drug industry is n times more bloody than the diamond industry, while at the same time they both follow similar hedonistic demands.

 

[robdamanii]

I don't even care if crackheads are stealing cars or sitting at home using it for 'recreation'. The point is all of these drugs are illegal, so any discussion over the illegal things they make you do seems invalid. They are already doing something illegal...drugs. Sorry the law is such a problem for all of you. I know its an absurd jump to make but here goes. If it was the same exact situation, they search the car because it was shot by his friends with a paintball gun and maybe they had no real reason to search the car other then it was kids messing around and they found a body in a bag in the trunk would anyone here be saying how it was illegal to search and you better get a lawyer? It sucks you may or may not have gotten searched illegally, but you were still doing something illegal...am I the only one that doesn't see any problem with that. Aren't most drugs found because they get pulled over for having bs stuff like a broken headlight?

I wholeheartedly agree with that. But if he had a body in there, we wouldn't need to tell him to get a lawyer; he'd have to dig up Johnny Cochran's corpse to clear him.

 

[N8 v2.0]

what amuses me is that mack committed a crime and broke the law and is claiming the cops may have also done the same...

he wants them to be held accountable while not holding himself to the same standard.

 

[Echo]

I'm going to bed too. But this isn't over b/c you're wrong. Why do you have to be so argumentative anyway? So you can reach 10,000 posts by the end of November?

It's our American Constitution that protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures. Thus, the Utah code (Article 1 Section 14) reads that an officer must have reasonable, articulatable suspicion that a crime is being committed before initiating a traffic stop.

Good Judges will throw out any case if the law isn't followed b/c they risk getting overturned if appealed. I'll look up the window glint case tomorrow if it will make you admit you're wrong.

Dude your arguement is complete bullsh!t and you watch WAY too much TV. Any judge in a traffic court is going to laugh in your face if you come in there with a $5000 lawyer for an appearance ticket for possessing a gram of weed. And after you and your $5000 lawyer get laughed out of court, the appeals court will straight up call you a f*cking retard for trying to appeal something so minor.

Where do you people come from? This is an extremely minor infraction, mack will probably walk away with a small fine and nothing on his record. All this talk of constitutional rights and illegal search and seizure is absolutely rediculous.

 

[DRB]

Where do you people come from? This is an extremely minor infraction, mack will probably walk away with a small fine and nothing on his record. All this talk of constitutional rights and illegal search and seizure is absolutely rediculous.

Oppressor, agent of the man, downtrodder of the weak, elitest pig.....




:biggrin:

 

[blue]

Where do you people come from? This is an extremely minor infraction, mack will probably walk away with a small fine and nothing on his record. All this talk of constitutional rights and illegal search and seizure is absolutely rediculous.

Depending on the cop that pulled me over, here I'd be looking at a $2k fine and a year of probation. I'd be pretty fvckin' pissed, because it was under definition an illegal search.

Good thing I smoke weed maybe once every three months?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Depending on the cop that pulled me over, here I'd be looking at a $2k fine and a year of probation. I'd be pretty fvckin' pissed, because it was under definition an illegal search.

Good thing I smoke weed maybe once every three months?

How old are you? There are OTHER states out there. CO is pretty liberal with this type of stuff.

 

[Echo]

Depending on the cop that pulled me over, here I'd be looking at a $2k fine and a year of probation. I'd be pretty fvckin' pissed, because it was under definition an illegal search.

Good thing I smoke weed maybe once every three months?

That sounds pretty harsh. A buddy of mine got busted sleeping in his car (outside his apartment) drunk, with a pipe and like a quarter ounce with him. He showed up for court with a suit and a haircut, said yes your honor/no your honor to everything the judge asked him, and walked out with a $550 fine and a suspended sentence. Kept his nose clean for a year and had the whole thing removed from his record.

edit: I'll wager that if he had showed up in court whining about an illegal search and threatinging to appeal to the supreme court, he would have gone to jail.

 

[Iron Mike]

Maybe Utah is more harsh. I can tell you Echo, in Utah, your friend would have been arrested (and probably conviced) of DUI. It happened here to a guy that was sleeping it off outside a bar with the car running. By the letter of the law, he was drunk and in control of his vehicle.

Either way, I wouldn't want any Drug or alchohol charges no matter how small to be on my record. There's lots of jobs that any drug charge would make you inelligible for. In Utah with a drug charge you cannot get a CDL license or work in a school.

I never suggested Mack go in to court threatening to appeal, I just thought he should protect himself well and think he probably has a good case for an illegal stop.

 

[llkoolkeg]

This whole thread has exploded across too many tangents to follow or hope to respond to, so I'll start with the cop issue as it relates to marijuana prohibition based on my personal experience.

Although I have been arrested for possession once, I have actually been caught a total of three times over 20 years of toking.

1) At 17 years of age, my buddy got pulled over while driving his parents' station wagon because the rest of the people in the car were passing around a tokemaster. A Fairfax County cop pulled up next to us at a stoplight across from the McDonalds on Rolling Road near Old Keene Mill Road and looked over to see/smell herb smoke rolling out of the cracked windows. Disposition? He pulled my buddy over, confiscated the TM and what remained of our communal quarter, recorded our names and addresses, said he'd take us to jail if we ever got caught again and let us go with a warning.

2) At 19 years of age, my friends and I were observed by police passing around a wooden bowl w/ resinator while chilling during a hike at Great Falls. We were cuffed, searched, our cars searched and our bowl and what remained of our community quarter was seized. Disposition? After lecturing us for about an hour on "missing out on a lot of pvssy by messing around with dope", he let us go with a warning for the herb and a ticket for not paying the honor system park entrance fee.

3) At 21 years of age(rather than 19, as I previously thought), I got popped in Old Town Alexandria with one of the same guys who was with me for the Great Falls incident because he stupidly left an open beer in his car's cup holder while we stood not even 10 feet away fishing for catfish/stripers in the Potomac. Cops rolled up and started checking fishing licenses and IDs(which we had), then on the way back to their car, noticed the open beer and searched the car after my buddy said it was his. They found not only my friend's eighth of weed, but my backpack complete with Glock 20(loaded w/ 16 Black Talons), my glass bowl and a half dozen film canisters with different types of KB and hashish in them. The KB/hashish had been shipped by a buddy from Frankfurt to D.C. and was the saddest loss of all- 4gram chunks each of the Bluebird, Grey Area, Lucky Mothers and Green House Coffeeshop's finest: Nepalese Temple Balls, Lebanese Blonde, Afghani Gold Medallion, Grey Mist Kif/Nederhash, Super Skunk and AK47. After the cops poured out my buddy's beer into the street, the discovered my gun then slammed him to the ground in the beer and cuffed him. At that point, I knew the gun would come back to me, so I told the cops that the gun and all the drugs were mine. I was arrested and my buddy waited at the station until he could bail me out later the next morning and drive me home.

Because I was a good student and had a clean record(thanks to the benevolence of the two prior cops I dealt with), I was able to plead nolo contendre, got a Section 3607 Federal Deal and got court supervised probation for the next year of my life. At the end of my probation after I'd passed all my piss tests, I went back to court and argued with the judge for the return of my Glock, which he begrudgingly agreed to.

Now I was obviously not a quick learner, but my dealings with cops and the court system have been really more than fair or I could hope for given the illegality of what I did. Do to my status as an independently broke college student, I only had a court-appointed attorney so I basically had to provide my own legal defense(though he actually did the talking in court). I did all the legal legwork, researched the case law and precedents, suggested a tactic for having the evidence thrown out(which we attempted in court, though ultimately unsuccessfully) and did everything I could to assist in my own defense like a jailhouse lawyer. It all worked out in the end and my total expenditures for my defense were whatever it cost to xerox all the applicable information from the CFR.

Was I lucky? Hell yes. Do I hate cops? Not any more. Have I learned my lesson? Yes, I do not possess the ganj at home or in my car or other property any more. That may sound like a difficult thing for a toker to accomplish, but it really isn't. It just requires being very, very careful and well organized and not expecting to start or end every single day high as a kite. If you have a few responsible single stoner friends who do not own property, it is very easy to contribute towards sacks and only partake from them when you are hanging out in a secure location and not in possession of anything else which could exacerbate the legal situation IF somehow busted, e.g. weapons, paintball guns, felonious substances, illegal fireworks, etc.

Mack was part unlucky, part incautious, part inexperienced in how you deal with cops and part imprudent for hanging out with dumbass friends, but those are unfortunately normal symptoms of youth. There, but for the grace of God, went I...and at a more advanced age. Had either of the cops I dealt with on my first two run-ins been as much of a dick as the one who popped Mack, I might not be typing this post right now. That's the roll of the dice; when you knowingly break the law in a civil society, you have to be prepared for the possibility of crapping out and having to pass off the bones to the next chump. If busted for reefer by a cop, you may get one with a little humor and memory of what it's like being young and foolish who'll cut you some slack on a very-low-priority offense -OR- you may get a bitter Gestapo aspirant drunk on a single shot of power who sees you as nothing but another faceless perp. If you are not prepared to take your chances and accept personal responsibility for how your chips fall, best not to even set foot in the casino.

 

[Nobody]

In that case, your police suck. I have had stolen bikes, stolen electronics etc recovered. One (documented on here actually) involved an international, coast to coast bike recovery effort involving the rcmp and organized crime.

Oh, please! Link me! Just for the Catharsis!

 

[valve bouncer]

LL, every smoker has got to take on board what you're saying. The main point being, where you are, know the laws.
Where I am now, be extremely careful because if you go, you go hard.
Another month from now when I'm back home, plod won' t give a sh*t. Know the law.

 

[MMike]

Know what else would be funny? If this thread were introduced as evidence in mack's case and somehow it incriminated him further....

Now THAT would be comedy....