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urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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How do you calculate total elevation gain (or loss) from GPS track data? I'm sure I could do it by hand or in excel or something. Is there a program out their that does it? Sometimes it's obvious, say on a long extended climb. How about if the trail has a long series of ups and downs? I have a couple of shareware programs that will plot tracks but nothing that will really analyze the data. I guess that's what I'm looking for.

Thanks.
 

macko

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Jul 12, 2002
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THE Palouse
I'm not sure about "shareware" but I would highly recommend you get the National Geographic TOPO program for your state. That is, if you do a lot of GPS stuff (hiking, biking, etc). This program is invaluable ... it's a bit pricey at $100 but I consider my GPS unit almost pointless without this software.
 

Skookum

bikey's is cool
Jul 26, 2002
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ignore my question if you want any useful information... well maybe useful, but not in terms of the question asked.

i've found that most people around these parts track elevation with altimeters, but i know it's possible to do it with a gps.
An observation, the numbers are sometimes fudged and show WAY more cumulative than what's really there. i don't know why, but some numbers i've heard from some trails just didn't jibe.

i had a guy tell me there was over 2000' of climbing on the downhill side of McKenzie River Trail, and anyone who's ever ridden there knows that ain't the case. i didn't argue, i just sit back and let people believe their little toys...
 

urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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Sleepy Hollar
I use EasyGPS (easygps.com) to save the files, then I go to GPSvisualizer.com to plot the routes as elevation/distance profiles, google earth maps or topo maps.
Rob, I saw that map you posted the other day and noticed the GPSvisualizer.com on the image. I went there a played around with their stuff. It was really cool. I especially like how easy it was to integrate into google earth and the elevation profiles looked pretty good too. I haven't looked at easygps yet.

IAB I'm going to have to check motionbased too.

Do any of these programs and sites allow you to edit/cut/splice/delete useless points on your tracks?
 

robdamanii

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May 2, 2005
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Rob, I saw that map you posted the other day and noticed the GPSvisualizer.com on the image. I went there a played around with their stuff. It was really cool. I especially like how easy it was to integrate into google earth and the elevation profiles looked pretty good too. I haven't looked at easygps yet.

IAB I'm going to have to check motionbased too.

Do any of these programs and sites allow you to edit/cut/splice/delete useless points on your tracks?
I just use Easy GPS to pull the data off my unit and save it. I don't do anything else with it but that, but I'm sure it has some editing features.
 

urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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Sleepy Hollar
i don't know why, but some numbers i've heard from some trails just didn't jibe....
I have no doubt that you are right. Looking at my elevation profile data I can see that it jumps up or down as much as 100 feet at time when it looses and then refinds the satelite signal. It wouldn't take too many jumps like that to really screw up the total. That's why you really have to look at your data and throw out the funky points. By the same token, gps data tends to really underestimate trail lengths because it straightens out curves, etc.
 

urbaindk

The Real Dr. Science
Jul 12, 2004
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Sleepy Hollar
Do you use a map sheet also, or just the GPS unit?
I usually only use the gps to see where I've been and not where I'm going. The screen (at least on my model) is just too small to get a real sense of where you are. If I'm going somewhere remote or unfamiliar like a national forest or something I carry paper maps and a compass. Plus maps and compasses very rarely run out of batteries.
 

robdamanii

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May 2, 2005
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I have no doubt that you are right. Looking at my elevation profile data I can see that it jumps up or down as much as 100 feet at time when it looses and then refinds the satelite signal. It wouldn't take too many jumps like that to really screw up the total. That's why you really have to look at your data and throw out the funky points. By the same token, gps data tends to really underestimate trail lengths because it straightens out curves, etc.
My Foretrex seems to be reasonably accurate. It showed 21 miles when we did about 22 last weekend. I'm sure some of that was just rolling around in circles and some changes in signal, but it's close. I still use my regular cyclocomputer for distance calculations.